I agree with you that Torres left on a very sour note. As for Owen and Mcmannaman, we really don't know what was going on inside of the club and what was beig done (or not being done) by the management. However, when you have players like Gerrard and Carra who have dedicated their careers to the club then you have a different matter. What I believe that we as supporters should do is enjoy Suarez but not let him take on iconic status until he proves hit commitment.
What I am saying is you will have those that are loyal, you will have those that aren't, and you will have your why did he leave? I love Macca, he is a big big reason why I started to like the club when I was younger, he was a player I looked up to. I am also saying, I just don't trust players really anymore, too many times they have said one thing did another, and unfortunately players as Gerrard and Carra are rare. Can you name me another set of players like Gerrard and Carra who have stayed at one club their whole career? JT, Lamps, Ferdinand, Rooney, none of them can say that. I agree with your last part though and that is my motto now with any players who come to us, just enjoy them while they are here and if they leave on to the next one.
I'd love to hear you 'explain' your earlier post about Suarez not being loyal? Your earlier excuses about it have been as weak and pathetic as your good self. "I was just assuming, I don't need facts to assume something " That's not an explanation at all, that's just pure lunacy. When people assume something there's a reasoning behind the assumption, you can't just randomly assume something and declare to everyone that you can't be wrong, as you can't prove it to be wrong for another 5-6 years. Who the hell was responsible for recruiting moderators on our board? You AND KPR!?! *shakes head* Terry has to be fair! So have Scholes, Neville and Giggs. Then you've got people like Casillas, Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Puyol, Totti etc.
It's a shame we have to think that way. Torres and Owen leaving and Gerrard almost changed it for me. I would be surprised if Suarez overnight is now 100% loyal. £ is everything. Or $ in your case.
Don't mock me as mod, i've done **** loads for this board and I don't need you to tell me otherwise, as frankly you don't know half of it. My assumption is based on the current climate of footballers. They are not loyal anymore, they go as they please for the money and i'm sure Suarez is no different. I'm willing to change my opinion and i'm delighted with Suarez, but i'm also reluctant to have another Torres sage. I never said I "can't be wrong" it just said it was my opinion, and I am entitled to that. Mocking me as mod. Bastard.
Terry has to be fair! So have Scholes, Neville and Giggs. Then you've got people like Casillas, Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Puyol, Totti etc Ya but Terry was a hammer first right? Scholes, Neville, Giggs are there with Carra and Gerrard but outside of those in the prem there are....... ? The foreign boys you named are loyal and makes me think a little bit...... are the foreign boys more loyal to their clubs outside of the prem? The catalan barca players, the Roman's in Roma (totti, de rossi). Could be an awesome thread but would probably turn **** unfortunately.
****ing hell boys, in house fighting now. Us United fans need to get back in the mix so you can start on us again instead I can also confirm from my own dealings with B4F he was a good mod for your board. What do you base your assumption on that he was a bad mod Lucaas ?
"Current climate of footballers" What does this piffle even mean? Footballers going for money is overexaggerated, how many footballers have actually left Liverpool for money in recent years? Very little, if any, is the TRUE answer. Alonso left for a massive project, that could've conceivably see him in a side that dominated Europe for years, playing alongside some of the worlds best players in his homeland. Plus he'd argued with the manager, and wasn't happy with him for trying to sell him the previous year. Torres left because of numerous broken promises from the managment, and the fact he wanted to be in a side that could feasibly challenge for the title and champions league before he was 30, something Liverpool couldn't do because of the mess left by Benitez, Hodgson and Hicks/Gillett. Mascherano left to play infront of 90+k people with one of the worlds greatest ever teams in weather that he and his family would be comfortable with, as much as people tried to make him out as some sort of mercenary, his move had nothing to do with money either. Meireles left because the manager didn't want him at Liverpool, while the Chelsea manager was desperate for him. Reasonable decision, especially as he'd be a starter Chelsea, while he wouldn't even be in the team at Liverpool most weeks. And I'll mock you as a mod as much as I want, because quite frankly, you really didn't do anything while you were mod. Insignificant is how I'd describe your tenure as a moderator, and the board has probably improved since you quit as a moderator.
Sometimes we don't really know until after the player has left. Look at Alonso, the club and the city mean a lot to him and he keeps coming back - even though he'll never return as a player. Did you read the letter that Luis garcia left for the fans after he returned to Spain? I remeber at half time in the Alaves Euro final when Lorro and Hansen were supposed to be doing their pundit thing and the Beeb had secretly filmed them doing their pieces at the window of the box when Liverpool scored.
Interesting, it could be to do with areas that have a lot of pride, you've got Bavaria in Germany with Lahm, Schweinsteiger etc, the Catalans in Spain and the Romans and Scousers in Italy and England respectively. I know Catalans and Scousers feel like they're almost outcasts in their own country and consider themselves as different from the rest of their respective countries people. Is it the same in Munich/Bavaria and Roma?
Why I feel it would be a good thread, if anyone has a bit more knowledge on that, certain areas contain players that are generally more loyal. You could probably throw Manchester in there maybe? Again, I would worry the thread would go down the toilet instead of good debate and research on maybe why a Lahm would say no to Madrid, Barca, AC, etc to stay at Bayern, other than Bayern themselves being a giant.
I didn't say he was a bad mod, I just had no idea how he actually got appointed in the first place, like KPR.
It's not that bad, but Memphis compared to the other major cities in Tennessee ( Nashville, Knoxville, Chattanooga), they look at us as part of Arkansas or Mississippi, not as Tennessee. As these places are more about American Football ( NFL or College), Country Music, good ol boys, Memphis is all about Basketball, heavily diverse ( I think about 75% black, something like that), soul food, Hip-hop/Rap, blues, rock n roll, completely different to the rest of Tennessee and we like it that way. Anytime we play a team from any of those cities we always want to kick their teeth in, really have a strong connection with Memphis and it's ideals and all that jazz that goes with it. I am sure the same can be said for Scousers, Catalans, Bavarians, and Romans.
No, I said you were on my list of "Idiots to ignore", not on my ignore list. And typically, you can't hold any kind of debate so you totally ignore my point and avoid discussing your actual posts. I've asked for examples of Liverpool players leaving for money, and you seem incapable of listing any, whatsoever.
