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Amazing Harry Kane Stats

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by lennypops, Sep 30, 2017.

  1. The Huddlefro

    The Huddlefro Well-Known Member

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    Nah he’ll get it written into his contract, probably number one item on Charlie’s list <laugh>
     
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  2. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    The manager should stop him taking them.
    Maybe get Southgate to have a word, as he's not taking England's corners any more.
    I'm not sure that we've got anyone who's any good at them, but it couldn't get any worse.

    Son's **** at corners too and it removes a threat from the box.
    Watching Kane's Premier League away goals, I noticed that Davies put some decent ones in.
    I'd appreciate it if we started to look like we spent some time on them, as we're awful at both ends.
     
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  3. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    Would now be a bad moment to point out that our corners noticeably improved when Lo Celso was taking them...?

    Low bar to clear, but given most of them thwack straight into the bar...
     
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  4. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I'm not sure it's even about the players taking them. We don't seem to have a plan.
    The Spam scored from from their first corner, IIRC.
    We could take the ****ing things all day and not do so.
     
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  5. Spurlock

    Spurlock Homeboy Forum Moderator

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    Dier always looks decent when I watch the training vids

    Cant recall his last one for us since Kane is always hogging it
     
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  6. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Dier, Son and Kane always look good when they're doing it in training.
    Doesn't translate to the pitch, but as you say, Dier doesn't take them very often.

    I do wonder if it's something stupid, like the training dummy things not being tall enough.
    Kane hits the wall almost every time, to the point where it's become a joke.
    Even the one that he scored hit it. Practice walls don't jump. Real players do.
     
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  7. Diego

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    What you both need to take into account is that in training they are playing against your defenders.
     
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  8. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Not when they're taking free-kicks, which is what we're talking about:


    Do you work hard to be this consistently wrong or does it just come naturally?
     
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  9. The RDBD

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    Can't take a ****ing free-kick, though.
     
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  11. humanbeingincroydon

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    Talksh*te working hard this morning to discredit Kanes England goals , to many scored against poor sides , surprised to learn one of the presenters was a gooner supporter, they never give up against Spurs
     
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  13. The Changing Man

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    You have to laugh, more in finals tournaments than Rooney, significantly fewer in friendlies the trouble for Kane (and Rooney to a lesser extent) is that there are more fodder like matches in qualifying now than there were 50 years, then again they don't have annual matches with Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland anymore either. You can only score against the opposition in front of you and Kane has been very good at that.
     
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  14. The RDBD

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    Yesterday induced me to attempt to be even more objective on the England stats.
    If anyone can easily find detailed England scoring data
    (open play, penalties etc) for Greavsie/Charlton/Lineker/Kane,
    give me the links and I will see what is there.

    On the domestic side I have found detailed league data
    on transfermarkt, so I will do the above for Kane vs Greavsie/Smithy.
     
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  15. KingHotspur

    KingHotspur Well-Known Member

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    They like to pretend that the likes of Rooney, Lineker and Charlton scored all their goals against Brazil, Italy, France etc while Kane has only scored penalties and against San Marino and Andorra.
     
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  16. The RDBD

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    Source :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England_national_football_team#Most_goals
    http://englandfootballonline.com


    Penalty counts for Greavsie / Charlton / Lineker / Kane are 0 / 3 / 4 / 13 respectively.
    So the "open play" scoring measures are :

    - Greavsie = (44 - 0) / 57 = 0.77
    - Charlton = (49 - 3) / 106 = 0.43
    - Lineker = (48 - 4) / 80 = 0.55
    - Kane = (49 - 13) / 68 = 0.53


    So Kane in England terms is effectively the Lineker of his time..
    Greavsie (as so often seems to be the case) is at a different level.
     
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  17. humanbeingincroydon

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    Harry Kane is so good, he's also Antoine Griezmann
     
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  18. Spurlock

    Spurlock Homeboy Forum Moderator

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    according to Opta

    Kane is only 1 unsuccessful free kick away from becoming the record holder of most direct free kicks taken without scoring. He hasn’t scored in his last 53 attempts, dating back to 2015.
     
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  19. The RDBD

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    Excellent.
    First direct free kick Spurs get in their next game, wherever
    it may be on the pitch, get Kane to take a shot at goal.

    After that fail, the embarrassment of holding that record
    should suffice to stop him ever attempting one again.
     
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  20. BrunelGunner

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    As much as I detest the bloke, it is very hard to argue against him being world-class. The records he's broken, the variations of goals he's scored, his ability to drop deep and spray passes, his combinations and interplay, the fact he can play with his back to goal and on the shoulder of the last man....he's outrageously talented. One of the top 5 Premier League strikers of all time IMO. I know he hasn't won anything, and I understand he has to bear some responsibility for that, but I also feel like he's elevated others. And, at the end of the day, there's only so much one player can do.

    It's the same argument I had with people about Fabregas at Arsenal when people tried to dispute his world-class status because he hadn't won anything with us (bar an FA Cup when he was 18)...he was doing everything he could to push the team, but others kept letting him down or just weren't on the same wavelength as him. He even played for us with a broken leg, so he was putting in the graft.

    Back to Kane, look, I get his record in finals and semi-finals isn't amazing...but neither was Thierry Henry's. Besides, there have been some key games where you can clearly see Kane has been rushed back/wasn't fully fit, yet still played. And there's been others where he's just not had the service available to him (not for a lack of trying).

    To my mind, the only strikers I can rank ahead of him are Henry, Rooney, Shearer and Aguero. Kane is probably the next best. That's how good a player he is.
     
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