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The Premier League Thread

Discussion in 'Southampton' started by TheSecondStain, Jun 28, 2016.

  1. tomw24

    tomw24 Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    2-2!
     
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    tomw24 Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Leeds are going to win this.
     
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    Leeds like doing this. But this time, the Wolves red card surely means they won't follow Utd in winning it 4-2 anyway.
     
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    Huge win for Leeds.
     
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  5. Saintmagic

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    They are going to finish above us
     
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  6. Number 1 Jasper

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    Who isn’t :bandit:
     
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  7. st_brendy

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    Big ask now for any of the bottom three to survive.
     
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  8. Saintmagic

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    Not really, Burnley have Everton at home next, win that and is still game on. Watford have all the bottom teams at home to play as well I think. Still too much football to really be sure
     
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    Liverpool has an interesting April coming up.

    Benfica (A)
    Man City (A)
    Benfica (H)
    Man City (Wembley)
    Man United (H)
    Everton (H)
     
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  10. Schad

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    One of the bids for Chelsea came from Larry Tanenbaum, the chairman and minority shareholder of the Toronto Raptors/Maple Leafs:



    Larry T doesn't have the funds himself, which means that he likely has backing from another party...and if I had to guess, that would be the Ontario Teacher's Pension Plan, which has owned a bunch of sports properties (including the Raptors/Leafs at one point), and also owns a bunch of random stuff in the UK (several airports, the rights to administer the national lottery, etc).
     
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  11. Gregm1988

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    A pension plan would buy a football club - something that nearly always loses money . Sounds odd. Unless they do a Glaziers and do a leveraged buy out and take out massive dividends from the club. Which won’t be popular at all. And probably won’t do very well compared to the other bidders

    Unless I have completely misunderstood something
     
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    Look at Chelsea: if they had been sold under normal circumstances, Abramovich would pocket a sizable profit for the whole of his tenure with the club, even writing off the loans. And that was while plowing ridiculous sums of money into it, something that many of the other big clubs don't do.
     
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  13. Gregm1988

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    Weren’t they losing money? I saw 900m mentioned. If that is over the tenure and in addition to the 1.5bn loan then there isn’t a profit there. But I guess the loan covers the loss. I haven’t looked closely enough - where does this overall net gain over 20 years come from?

    Difficult to see a similar increase going forward but I am sure the same was said 20 years ago. But Chelsea are near the top of the league every year, regularly in the UCL - where is there to go? They need a very expensive stadium change to properly grown

    If I was a someone investing in a pension fund i am not sure I’d be happy with such a speculative investment - losses every year , massive capital outlay required and the maybe a big gain on sale in many many years

    Unless it was run like Man United like I said
     
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    He bought the club for £140m, loaned it £1.5bn, and now it's valued at about £2.3bn. Not a massive ROI, but he was throwing money at it hand over fist.

    Chelsea's the outlier, though, and they still would be sold for a net profit. Liverpool was purchased for £300m a decade ago; Forbes now values them at about £3bn. Despite being consistently worse than the top teams, Arsenal's value has doubled in the same span. City's losses are dwarfed by their gains. Utd has been a net gain for the Glazers despite their leveraged buyout. Spurs are a much more valuable asset as well. And outside the pandemic, the majority of those teams don't lose money year on year, either.

    There's an argument to be made that revenue growth will slow in the years to come, but I could absolutely see an entity like the OTPP, which has previous experience running sports clubs (and made a profit of about 500% on the purchase and sale of Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment) and wouldn't need to finance the purchase, being interested at the right price.
     
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    Mike Dean is retiring at the end of the season. <diva>
     
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    15 years too late.
     
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    i will miss his showmanship though. He can be hilarious… when he’s not in charge of one of our games that is
     
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    He's going to be a full-time VAR ref...:(
     
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