I agree it doesn't matter now regarding the game, but I think it's one of the many, many incidents that the authorities should scrutinise in an effort to get their act together. I've said before that I have some sympathy for on-field officials who can't see everything or get everything right. They get vilified by fans and pundits who have the benefit of repeated views from several angles, yet wonder why the ref misses it. However, VAR was supposed to eliminate - or at least drastically reduce - those errors, but there's very little discernible improvement. Of course, my argument has always been that VAR cannot eliminate the subjectivity inherent in all arbitrary decisions, and everything I see just reinforces that opinion. After all, we can't even all agree on here what the decision yesterday should have been - and we're all on the same side, supposedly.
You're right, it wasn't a red card because it didn't prevent a scoring opportunity. It was a red (or should have been) because it was reckless play risking injury to an opponent.
Seems to me that when a man stands for his opinion in the face of all logic and stands alone he should be respected for it. Even garry neville thinks it was a red but not our IBWT. #stubbornasamule
SERIOUS FOUL PLAY A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play. Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play. Unbefuckingleavable. We had all this with Prickford and Virgil - referees do NOT know the rules of their own game; CHRIS FOY: Robert Sanchez's challenge was reckless but NOT serious | Daily Mail Online So what Foy is contending is that Sanchez's actions were reckless, but not endangering an opponent. What? Chest high leg, head high arm - not endangering an opponent? Does he have to bring a ****ing chainsaw onto the pitch and dismember him for that to be considered endangering an opponent? Seriously (and yes, I did say this too after the Keita tackle against Chelsea if the whataboutery pedants are out there, although comparing the two is like comparing a prang in Tesco's car park with the Clapham Junction disaster in the 80's), our referees are a ****ing scandal. They allowed Burnley to kick the **** out of Elliott in the early days of the season, in the name of 'letting the game flow', but make a big banana about head injuries, concussion, etc, etc, but can justify THAT challenge yesterday as being a 'Bit reckless'? Despicable, incompetent, bent bastards.
I think klopp makes a good point and been mentioned a few times about var. the ‘clear and obvious’ is an issue. Unless the comms from ref to var ref is very good can easily miss something because var may think well the ref saw it and didn’t think was a red so I can’t overturn as not clearly and error. however the on field ref may think I didn’t really see that, I’ll leave it to var ref to judge and make a decision. not saying was case on this one, but I’m sure it’s the problem with some. The city handball being an example, the on field ref clearly couldn’t see because of the angle, and var ref says wasn’t clear error (despite I think most others saying was clear). As such neither are actually making a decision. Need to change it to was this decision right or wrong. If it was wrong then change it.
Meh, every tackle can endangers a player in theory. If the red for the Leeds player on Elliott was a red because it endangered him by braking his ankle, then surely it’s not a red on diaz because he ended up fine?
That ****ing handball may just cost us the title. Let that sink in Sterling non offside goal against city in 13, lost title by 2pts. Bent af
Which is why I consistently said the Elliott one was a booking, not a sending off (as did he) and compared it to the Son/Gomes incident.
I mean apart from the leg in the chest, he literally smashes him in the face with his arm. Just how, in the name of God, is that not endangering an opponent? You would even, and this is not a joke, be sent off for that in Rugby Union. Scandalous.
Mealy-mouthed Oliver admitted in the S*n three months later (which he knows Liverpool fans don't read) that he and that other **** in VAR whose name escapes me, had got 'confused with the procedure'. That is, the so-called best ref in England admitted h 'forgot' he could send somebody off for serious foul play regardless of whether any other infringement had occurred leading up to it. Yes, as said - our referees do not know the rules of the game. If that was a nurse and they had given somebody the wrong injection because they 'forgot the procedure' they'd be sacked. Instead, he got to go and represent England at the 2020 Euros (where he ****ed up again). Abysmal.
So what, in your opinion, would constitute a sanctionable offence then? Apart from the fact that you like Brighton, I can't see any logic in your line of reasoning.
I just don’t see how a keeper spreading himself to make his body as big as possible to stop a goal can be considered violent conduct, unless he’s kicked a gut with studs or something, or punched someone with a clenched first. The guy just spread his arms and legs wide to try save the ball. Keepers do it all the time, yes it was unfortunate but just don’t see it as a red. As I say, his hands were open not clenched fist, his leg he caught him with his inner thigh so wasn’t with his foot etc. Like I say, had it not gone in I think a red for stopping goal scoring opportunity would be fair. If he had gone, I don’t think could have argued. I think it was borderline, but I don’t think was bad enough for it to be a straight red for violent conduct.
Tell you what. You come into me and I'll swing my leg into you like he did and we will see how dangerous it is
Happens 5 times a game when someone goes to clear the ball and their leg hits the opposition player in their waist. 90% of times it’s a foul to that person and the one that does the blocking and gets hit never goes down
How often do you see someone go to clear the ball and a guy run infront to block it and the guy that clears the ball ends up hitting their own leg into the opposition player. Happens all the time, no one ever goes down hurt from it. Diaz didn’t go down cos he got a leg to the waist, it was the collision from the hand that put him down
Have you watched it from all angles. The angle from behind the goal is telling. Sanchez takes a step towards the far post and actually takes himself out of postion to actually block the ball. He's actually gone in flapping about and thrown a leg into a players chest when the ball is gone. Again you said the waist several times. I posted the actual pictures. It's nowhere near the waist. I think it's patently obvious to sanchez he's taken himself.out of postion and he's basically thrown a lazy leg up and right into the rib cage and added the hand to the face for good measure. There's nothing like a block of a ball going on here. Imo he's actually deliberately gone for the players not the ball as well as he has zero chance of getting near. He is also a mile late and the ball is well gone.
