You've been a sleep all morning, we was having this convo hours ago, how about bringing yourself up to speed first and trying again., thanks bro.
My personal belief is the people should get to decide who rules them. Ukraine's had chosen Zelensky and has no interest in Putin. Afghanistan had not chosen the Taliban, it was enforced on them by guns. In that respect they are very different. That said, obviously there is a lot of politicking going on. The Palestinians didn't choose to be under lock and key by Israel, the Koreans didn't chose to be under the Kim dynasty... And probably most Sauds would rather be rid of their rulers. We turn our heads and don't invade those countries (at least until it is in our benefit to do so). We pick and choose our battles and only fight the ones that benefit us and sometimes make up pretenses for invasions (like Iraq). Russia clearly wrong to invade Ukraine.
In case of war with Russia it might actually be safer to be in the military than be a civilian. At least the military would have access to nuclear bunkers, potassium iodide, and the government would be trying to keep you alive. Ideal situation in war with Russia if you could get posted on a submarine.
Why are they wrong though? Because we say so? Putin is wrong to invade a country that in a few years will possibly have nato bases in it. Makes complete sense to me for him not to want nato bases near Russia. Im still not seeing the diffrence here just diffrent reasons and excuses for invading another country which is justified when uts us bit when its russia/putin its evil Like i said the only reason anyone here gives a **** is cos its another big powerful country throwng its weight around but this time its not one of ours and they aint part of our gang so = evil.
I agree with your thoughts, alot of what i've said this morning, was purely to create debate and highlight the double standards of the west in the scenario, Serbs (Yugolavia) v Russia, and the different approaches. I will add one more thing though, look up Odessa on a map, Putin's boys will look to go in heavy there, his ships are already offshore waiting for the land forces to catch up, days behind, as they should have been there by now. Why is Odessa important, it's a port and the last remaining connection of Ukranians to the sea, it's a vital strategic area. All fine, why not you might say, but, and here is the concern, once the Russians take Odessa, which they will.... Look at that map of Odessa again, now cast your eye, one inch to the left, use the end of your thumb to measure an inch <cough> can you see it, a little place called Moldova...IF Putin takes Odessa too easily, he might tell his troops to just keep going that extra inch, so that would be another country he's taken... What's the problem with that, again you might ask, Romanians are already ****ting their pants, it could possibly start WW3 and NATO would have been caught napping. Because once the Russians get there, you might as well go sign yourself up to the submarine that potato man was on about.
It's not wrong for him to not want NATO bases on his doorstep (although Ukraine's enrollment was on permanent hold and not expected to be accepted for a decade)... There was no imminent threat of Ukraine immediately joining NATO... And a diplomatic solution would be to agree that NATO would not establish any foreign bases on Ukrainian soil (perhaps in exchange for Russia pulling out of the Donbas). The problem is, Ukraine gets to decide their own future, it's not Russia's to decide. Ukraine gets to choose who they align with, just like Britain does. What if Russia were to declare that Britain's friendship with the US was not good for them? Would you approve Russia invading Britain? Anyway, I think NATO bases was an excuse, pretty much like WMD were an excuse to invade Iraq. It wasn't the real reason. Putin cares about his legacy... He even hires historians fulltime to give opinions on how he will be remembered. This was more about expanding the borders and restoring Russia to it's Soviet Union heights than it was about NATO.
The majority population in Moldova speak Romanian and consider themselves Romanian. There is a small minority who are Russian (which gives Russia that excuse to invade Moldova). A while back Romania and Moldova wanted to reunite but didn't because of threats from Russia. It absolutely could ignite a major tinderbox if Russia takes Moldova. A lot of Romanians and most Moldovans consider themselves to be one people... Romania is part of NATO. Moldova itself is not NATO unfortunately so at big risk... Romania might not officially fight back against Russia, but what if a Romanian general took it into his own hands to defend Moldova, a territory he considers part of his own native land?
Yes. You seem to be missing my point completely. The west is only crying cos the west aint doing the bombing of civilians this time. Putins reasons for invading as far as i can see are valid, like i said if scotland joined putin 2moro wed bomb it into one big haggis soup Putin is doing just that imo.
might not be one for you but why does putin need odessa and the rest of the sea? Doesn't having crimea give access to the sea for russia already? Is it just to prevent the ukranians having access to the sea?
Yeah i get all that mate, stop him now or he carries on and before we know it there will be russian boats coming down the temz Personally i think thats all Bullshit myself. If thats what nato or us is really worried about then wheres all the nato bombs now? Dont they work against a proper army or summin
Russia wants a land connection with Crimea. I believe they have a bridge already from the East, but bridges are vulnerable. Taking the South and East of Ukraine gives Russia a land connection all the way down to Crimea.
I dont care eitherway, hes as bad as ours. Im just tryna add some clarity to why everyone thinks putin is an evil war monger while politikin reasons for us to be justified in doing the exact same thing in other places for the exact same reasons putin is now. Gay af
That's very unlikely. We'd probably place border restrictions with Scotland and sanction them and relations would freeze, but it's not really likely we would bomb Scotland for becoming a Russian tributary state.
Why not? We bombed iraq, and Afghanistan cos some terrorist bloke was supposedly hiding in cave with nukes. Cmon man
