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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by ChilcoSaint, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. Gregm1988

    Gregm1988 Well-Known Member

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    So they failed their goal on minute one? Interesting
     
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  2. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace Forum Moderator

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    That tweet is dated yesterday! The way this is being spun in Russia is breathtaking.
     
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  3. Gregm1988

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    I finally finished that article and he did more than make Mearsheimer squirm. He tied him up into complete knots and put a nice bow on him

    The guys was contradicting himself throughout in his desperation to simultaneously blame the US and absolve Russia of blame. The author even seemed to give up on pointing out the contradictions and hypocrisy after a while. Or perhaps they were just being nice
     
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  4. Le Tissier's Laces

    Le Tissier's Laces Well-Known Member

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    Russia now doing a reverse-Dunkirk and using motorhomes, rickety cars and vans to try and resupply their lines.

    They've got all the fancy equipment, but their logistics planning has been utterly horrendous.
     
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  5. Schad

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    He may do that. The question is: to what end? It accomplishes no strategic goals. It requires that a whole lot of Russians die to accomplish no strategic goals, because you will have a lot of troops in largely static positions, and a lot of supply convoys to maintain them. And it would ensure that Russia's economy is utterly buried.

    It would obviously be a horrific result for the Ukrainian people, and perhaps that becomes the end goal at some point out of pure spite. Leveling Ukraine simply to level it would be the sort of victory even Pyrrhus would find a bit costly, though.
     
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  6. Schad

    Schad Well-Known Member

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    I can't see any problems with moving an actual train full of armored personnel carriers, light tanks and self-propelled guns that has been filmed before it even leaves Belarus:

     
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  7. MorgansBitOnTheSchneid

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    I know some kids that wouldn't think twice about chucking a couple of breeze blocks on the tracks to derail that.....
     
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  8. Schad

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    If the Russians are dumb enough to actually move it into the country (and it's possible that they're just moving it to a staging area in Belarus), it's hard to imagine a better target for a drone strike, and the Russians have struggled mightily to deal with Ukraine's relatively small number of combat drones. It's a train; it ain't going to change direction on you, and hitting any point of the train kinda makes the rest of the train stop doing train things. But with convoys of armour straight-up running out of fuel before every actually accomplishing anything, they might be that desperate.
     
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  9. Archers Road

    Archers Road Urban Spaceman

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    Ministry of Truth, see Orwell for details
     
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  10. Osvaldorama

    Osvaldorama Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. And the problem is Putin has **** down access to information, so even the ones that would be anti-war can’t organise.

    it’s an absolute **** show. Russia is about to absolutely collapse. If I was there I’d be doing whatever I could get out right now.
     
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  11. Gregm1988

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    About to absolutely collapse? What makes you say this? Just intrigued

    If comms are down and the propaganda is in full steam and protests clamped down on ruthlessly is a collapse truly imminent?
     
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  12. StJabbo1

    StJabbo1 Well-Known Member

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    An economic collapse will have ripple effects given international interdependencies, supplies of wheat, oil, gas and minerals and more. A collapsing Russia could lead to a catastrophic outcome.
    https://www.theatlantic.com/newslet...putin-economy-sanctions-swift-fallout/623330/
    I think but not sureTelegram and other media platforms are still available in Russia but a digital iron curtain is possible.
    https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/07/tech/russia-internet-facebook-block-iron-curtain/index.html
     
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  13. Osvaldorama

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    Basically their entire stock market is going to zero as soon as it opens. If it ever does.

    Shell, Exxon, Gazprom etc are closing down and removing themselves from Russia. Even if the war ends right now it would still take a long time to untangle the mess from this and get oil production back on track. Not to mention all of the western companies pulling their services from Russia.

    The entire Russian economy will collapse. Now the thing is; they may have enough gold and resources to create a new one. But who will trust their markets? Would you put any of your money there whilst Putin is still in charge?

    There will definitely be short & long term consequences from this, we are just waiting to see how bad they are.

    Their media can spin it however they like, but they can’t escape the reality. The sanctions may make things worse to be honest. But I do respect the EU/US for going strong and trying to stop the war machine. It’s all we can do.
     
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  14. berlinersaint

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    One important point to add, that is an old picture and not relevant with whats going on now
    Nicely put Archers.
     
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    Just got round to watching it all. It brought a huge lump to my throat if I am honest. The innocence of someone so young in a dire situation is so touching.

    To misquote another song, you can see that Children are our future teach them well and let them lead the way, let them show all the beauty inside.
     
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  16. StJabbo1

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    Heartwarming to see the response from people of all nations offering shelter to those in need. As ever it's those least able to do so who pay the price whether it's the displaced people or, so far as we understand, the young Russians dying not knowing where they are or why.
     
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  17. Schad

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    So, this isn't going well.

     
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  18. StJabbo1

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    Lying bastards.
     
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  19. Gregm1988

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    A resigning matter ? That is taking a bit far. Unless by “normal” they mean “normal in the 19th century” where people pretty much only had their limited principles to stand on due to the way elections worked
     
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  20. StJabbo1

    StJabbo1 Well-Known Member

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    PMQs an opportunity to highlight the lies and incompetence of those responsible for the shambles that's described as 'world beating'. I know calling people out for lying isn't allowed in the house but there must be a form of words that makes it clear.
     
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