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  1. organic red

    organic red Well-Known Member

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    I've heard this about Nord 1 but can only find maps which say Nord 1 runs through the Baltic......same as Nord 2......confusing
     
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    probably because they are different countries .
     
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  3. Solid Air 2

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    can't say i've ever checked tbh but i've heard it numerous times and just assumed it was correct .

    Edit : yep looks like you are right and the news journalists weren't clear that both nord stream pipelines bypass Ukraine and it is the older pipelines that earn them transit fees .
     
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  4. johnsonsbaby

    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    You see you're deeply entrenched into this, I'm not. I don't know who's peddling what narratives. From my outside cursory view, not coloured by any political affiliations or leanings, no wars broke out on Trump's watch. That could be coincidental or not, nevertheless it's a fact. It's obvious Biden is weakening by the day which is why I asked whether that was a good enough reason for Russia to act now.
     
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    Same
     
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    i have edited this post having now done "due diligence" .
     
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    Trump was a delusional bully - he wouldn't know where to begin to solve an international crisis.
    I never understand how anyone can have an iota of respect for that man - he's nothing more than an arrogant grifter.
     
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  8. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    no wars broke out???

    Yemen. trump didn't solve that. started 2014.

    Donbas. 2014. trump in 2019 trump calle dup the current Ukrainian president and threatened him with removal of weapons sales unless he investigated bidens son. Trump then proceeded to withhold military aid in form of weapsons sales and so weakened ukraines hand.

    syria? 2011. only has gotten worse and worse. trump did nothing.

    isis 2014... again trump did shag all there and then after conveniently seeing the kurds do the dirty work trump flip flopped as Erdogan threaten him and trump pulled all support from kurds and left them to bleed.

    Afghanistan. who signed off on the treaty to leave... no not biden. trump signed that.

    Tigray? 2020 trump watch.

    See the pattern here... this has been building for a long time and trump did absolutely nothing at all to reign anything in. he built a fence (not a wall) PARTIALLY along the mexican border, he had a photo of with a fat little mad man then ****ed off and left it.

    This stuff in fairness to trump didn't start under his watch, no they just escalated. To single biden out as "weak" and the reason for all this is ridiculous. sorry.

    Trump was not strong on anything. he flip flopped all over the place, slashed taxes and drove market bubbles that will come home to roost now that inflation is rising rapidly globally.

    the fact is trump was an unmitigated disaster for the globe over 4 short years but the consequences will be felt for centuries in climate and in political fall out.
     
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    Clue's in the name, I expect.
     
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  10. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    yes, the Yelets–Kremenchuk–Kryvyi Rih gas line runs to the Slovenian border through ukraine.

    The Nord does indeed describe the location rather well.

    this set of images clearly shows the issue for europe.

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    you can clearly see russia have been planning this bypassing of ukrain for a long time.
     
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    Trump is praising Putin for invading Ukraine!!!

    He also was very resistant to applying any sanctions against Russia, wanted to bring them back to international meetings and low-key gave justification for Russia's invasion of Crimea. He wanted to abolish NATO and take troops out of Europe (I think he did succeed in closing one base in Germany but his generals kept him from dropping out of NATO or leaving Europe entirely).

    Trump was no deterrent to Putin. I don't know if you've forgot but everyone was calling Trump Putin's lap dog and there is now evidence Russia was backing Trump for the white house.

    If Trump were in power now. Ukraine would be getting no aid at all.
     
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    I agree with you, yet he has growing support in the US.
     
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  13. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    but the accusations of being a russian stooge, backed by russia in 2016 election and had russian fake adverts targetting voters to help him are of course TOTALLY false :)
     
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    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    also if you look at second picture what does this tell you. bypass estonia, lithuania, latvia, poland. the next tragets after moldova is rolled over.
     
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    I obviously worded it badly. What I should have said was that Trump's four year term saw no new wars involving the US which is a bit of a rarity.
     
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    He almost got us into war with Iran after years of work getting to a place of peace with Iran... He tore up the contract and took us to the brink of hostility.

    He does have to be credited with not starting any new wars, but I think it's partly luck, partly timing, and partly that he saw eye-to-eye with tyrants who overthrow democracy and are the normal recipients of American ire (as they take the convenient time to replace them with American friendly rulers instead). Trump wanted to be like Putin or Erdogan. He wanted to transcend democracy and become a permanent leader.
     
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    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    bar the ones they were already in?

    that he didn't actually finish or resolve without surrendering (Afghanistan)
     
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    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    imo if the yanks hadn't all the places they could handle to drop munitions some businessman or other would have been on the golf course in his ear to start a war to drop some.

    All yank presidents have to use up ordinance and get thier guys new defence deals. clinton did his best to invade Haiti and cried in his own teacup when they

    Operation Uphold Democracy was in progress when carter AND Powell went to haiti and clinton very begrudgingly approved him going but insisted the military forces kept moving. The haitians gave up and ran away and clinton was raging.

    its no coincidence that haiti is a basket case today as clinton then victimised them for not letting him blow them up!
     
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    You clearly are on a side over this, I'm not. I'm just making observations. My thinking Biden is incredibly weak doesn't equate to me liking Trump, I don't.
     
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    You're talking apples and oranges. Not taking the country into any new wars, which is my only point, isn't the same as ending ones that someone else took you into.

    In the modern era - since 1945 - America has had 13 presidents, Trump joins Carter and Ford in not starting or escalating foreign conflicts with US military involvement.
     
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