To be fair a lot of people were accusing Biden of accelerating the war by saying "it's coming soon" but really, we know now he was just following a strategy of announcing everything that the intelligence community uncovered so that public opinion wouldn't be swayed by any propaganda Putin might release. Putin was the only one accelerating the war. Biden was also saying Russian military was not completely onboard with the invasion (which again is mirrored by what captured Russians are saying). This is Putin's war not Russia's and all about Putin's ego... And I do hope if by some unlikely chance Putin gets disposed the West will be willing to work with his successor if the successor seems more reasonable.
Biden interfered when he was Vice President, we give you $1 Billion dollars of aid if you remove X from power. Whether it was for the right reasons, it was still interfering, but yes I accept there are conditions with aid. Isn't funny though, Putin has only gone full tonto since Biden come to power. It should also be noted four months after Biden came to power, the EU reached a new agreement on trade with the Ukraine. I can see why Putin was pissed off. Why were America and the EU so keen to help the Ukraine. Especially noting only months prior, the Americans wanted out of Afghanistan. Putin was wrong in final decision to invade.
Biden knew it was coming, simply because of his past history, he knew what games he had played historically with the Ukraine, he was desperate for them to join the West. As time passed it's what the people wanted too, but Biden knew full well what he was doing. But because people like Biden better than Trump, they turn a blind eye to stuff that they wouldn't have done if this had been Trump causing all this trouble. In fact I know if this occured under Trumps watch, he'd be getting slated all over the place today.
I agreed with some of some her view, she has the same problem as me, not very good at explaining it sometimes.
If they had really wanted to grant Ukraine NATO membership, they could have done it when Ukraine first applied 12 years ago, but they didn't. Putin is simply trying to re-create the Russian Empire of his youth, the dissolution of which, he has said on countless occasions, was the biggest catastrophe of his lifetime. He wants to leave this as his legacy and is simply using NATO as a pre-text for his actions. He has created false-flag events in Georgia, Moldova, Kazakhstan and now Ukraine, always sending the military in afterwards as "peace-keepers". Just last week he said Ukraine isn't even a real country; what does that tell you? This is one man's vanity project and he doesn't care who get flattened in order to achieve it. Diane Abbott is a ****wit.
Well of course the West wants Ukraine on their side. It's in their best political and military interest. Just as it's in Russia's best interest to have Ukraine on their side. Europe offered a carrot and Russia offered a stick. If Russia really wanted Ukraine on board they could have offered carrots too. It's natural Ukraine would want to join other democracies for protection over a belligerent neighbour who has already stolen territory from them.... And it's natural the west wanted to offer a compassionate branch for Ukraine to join the west. They're in a very geographically important location. Putin is the toddler who just lost the game of snakes and ladders so has thrown the board to the floor.
You think I don't know what Putin is trying to do, of course I do, but that shouldn't be used to excuse the West for their part in this shhite show. Maybe instead of quoting Putin's words today, go and search out the red carpet that Biden and the EU laid out for the Ukraine. There are plenty of places that need help in the world, so why are they so keen to help the Ukraine, the exact same reason that Putin is playing is stupid shhite show. This isn't onesided by any stretch of the imagination.
I'm not so sure on the first part about Biden tbh. But that's immaterial now as Putin has invaded. I don't disagree with the rest but I'm very wary of the way the narrative is being played out since the invasion. I said a while ago, before the invasion, this is a game of infowars. We shouldn't demonise people for holding a view which at the time was worth expressing - neither were justifying any invasion by Russia, they were saying the situation was being aggravated by both sides and all efforts should be geared towards negotiating a peaceful resolution. Btw I don't agree with everything they said at the time. It was absolutely necessary for the West to provide arms to Ukraine because there was a clear threat from Russia. But in terms of trying to resolve the NATO situation through diplomacy I think they had every right to express.
I expect Russia probably did offer carrots too, but having lived under the regime, the people obviously wanted change, that I don't dispute.
Biden knew because western intelligence has been sharing information that they have uncovered and knew the invasion was imminent. I am fairly neutral about Biden. I'm neither a supporter or a detractor, I take each incident as it happens. If Trump's praise for Putin over the invasion is anything to go by... Yes, I do think Biden is probably handling this better and I would be angry at Trump if he were president now and praising Putin for invading a nation we have good relations with.
Biden knew mate for historical reasons, some concerning his son, Hunter I think it is, although the stuff about millions was fake news as I understand it. But Biden was sent on a mission as Vice President and that was to bring the Ukraine onboard in competition with Russia. America, why the hell would America be interested in a country on another continent...you don't need to answer, we all know.
Very true. They should really be doing something about Israel's treatment of the Palestinians and the UK and US shouldn't have gone into Iraq in 2003 (I've protested against both) and many, many more instances where the Western democracies have been a bunch of self-serving c*nts. If Biden and the EU were really laying out the red carpet then Ukraine would already be in the EU and NATO.
I think we’ll have to agree to disagree. She’s implying its the West’s fault to quite a large degree. Like I said, not handled the best by the west, but implying it’s the cause is beyond naive. Naivety was why WWII occurred as no one thought another world war would follow so quickly after the 1st. Abbot should be no where near politics. She’s an air head which has been proven on numerous occasions. Corbyns section didn’t age well either. I’d like to add… I’ve been to Estonia, been on a guided tour. I can see why these nations don’t want to be anywhere near Russia in terms of partnerships. The abuse they suffered during that period of time is something we can’t imagine.
They were laying out the red carpet, somewhere on this thread I posted a document, listing every little detail of what the EU was offering Ukraine, dated April 2021. it was as good as them being in it, without the Russians being able to claim they are in it. Bidens deals were done years ago before he became President. I reckon as soon as Putin heard he'd been elected he probably had his voodoo doll out. I don't fully understand the Palestinian stuff, I leave others to educate me on that.
It also confuses me when people see it as the US wanting to be close to Russia by setting up bases in Eastern Europe… the US’s western border in Alaska is only about 50 miles from Russia. They’re already close enough
I suspect the reason Ukraine isn't a NATO or EU member already is because of Russian pressure and not trying to antagonize Russia too much. Neither side wants to fight the other directly for obvious reasons. Perhaps without Putin's disapproving steely gaze and perhaps a few angry threatening phone calls Ukraine would probably be a NATO and EU member today. Who knows what goes on behind closed doors but I'm sure there have been more than a few phone calls behind the scenes where Putin says something like, if Ukraine joins NATO I'm turning the gas off... And so Ukraine stays as an associated member rather than a full member. Purely speculation of course.
True, although there is little of any consequence for 1000 miles west of Alaska. Russia doesn't fear America launching airstrikes and short range missiles at empty tundra.
Yeh we'll agree to disagree on this one mate I don't think she's implying that at all. Not keen on the WW2 comparisons either. Not aimed at your post, but whenever I hear it on any media I cringe, only because I think it's lazy and part of the propaganda.
Just saying, not trying to contradict anything you've said....but it's the second time on here, I've heard about tour guides, I'd personally argue all tour guides will give the historic version they are paid to give, some of which are often dictated by the government of that region.
