We’ll disagree then. What we did in Iraq is irrelevant to what we should do now. What we did in the Falklands is irrelevant to what we do now. Ultimately how the World sees us is irrelevant now. We simply need to decide what wrong has been done now and what we should do to put it right now. Yes, we have regard to history in deciding what we should do but that is not by itself considering the full picture. The full picture includes USA influence. It includes the arguments of the Ukrainian separatists. It includes the economic impact on the UK, Russia etc. and more. Once the “wrong” has been righted then we can look at the full picture but let’s not be distracted from what needs to be done now by considering the immediately irrelevant. And let’s not be considering that we cannot act now because we have done wrong in the past or that that or anything else absolves Russia from total responsibility.
I’ve yet to see a single one? Each and every person has condemned his behaviour and rightly so. That you condemn the West and their behaviours also should not be misread as justification for invading another country. There should be no wars. By now as a race humans should be way past all this. We’ve learnt nothing from previous wars because those in charge don’t want to. We’ve never tackled the top 1% problem holding all the wealth and the financial systems which support that. We now have those very same people offering to reset it all - in their vision You are allowed to criticise those behind the reasons for that (which includes our own government to a significant level), AND Putin. Otherwise if everyone is just a good little follower we will circle round to this situation again. The sooner the aliens come down, wipe out all the world leaders and those pulling their strings and allow us to start again, the better Seriously though I don’t know how you resolve the worlds problems. Greed seems built into our psyche. Our willingness to spend trillions on defence while 100’s of million starve around the world tells you all you need to know. I don’t really understand why we need these energy arguments, or creeping up to each others borders, or spies in each other’s countries. Humans are sadly not all good and we seem so far gone it’s all pretty much ****ed. We know Putin and co can push the button on warfare that ends us all. Like Chaos I just feel sorry for the innocent Ukrainians/Russians and the inevitable armed forces from around the world who end up in the middle of it. For now we need to find a way to end this with as little bloodshed as possible. Aggression is unlikely to work or end in anything but more bloodshed. Sanctions is fine but not over the long term to the detriment of the average man both in Russia or elsewhere round the world. We had to hope both sides would step away and stop the brinkmanship because once someone takes the first step as Putin has, it’s very difficult to roll it back.
Well it's just there was a large number of people that saw it was wrong and we sighted that other blood money was already here.
Perhaps I just like stoking the fire? Can I just add you of all people should know better by now. Seriously I don’t dismiss anyone. I do think some people may have a fairly simplistic view of world affairs but I don’t blame them. It’s so far gone and so complicated, it’s not really worth debating. I do think however if you are unwilling to look at the West, it’s leaders, it’s media and get a look at the bigger picture you are probably wasting your time thinking about it. It’s pretty obvious. None of that will ever justify invading a country or killing innocent people. However it might help prevent it in the future. I’ll be honest I have a fairly depressing view of humanity. I think it’s ****ed and has been for quite some time. I can’t see where the reset button is now. It would take a massive uprising and overhaul. Most of us can’t be arsed and just wanna see the Toon win
That was never my position. The Saudi’s money is from oil. Nothing wrong in that by itself. People’s gripe with our takeover was the Saudi’s themselves not where the Saudi’s got their money. My view is to respect whilst not agreeing with Saudi’s and their culture. If the Saudi’s are to change, in our view for the better, then it is more likely that that will be achieved by contact and talking as opposed to ostracizing. No, it won’t be overnight but most change worth having isn’t overnight anyway. Just consider the takeover group includes not just the Saudi’s but a woman and some Jews. Who would have forecast those as partners with the Saudi’s? It shows progress can be made. The longest journey starts with the first step. Damn, I’m being so philosophical this morning. Note to self, check the Frosties ingredients list.
Most religious people will be just be happy to hear that you believe that God exists. I didn't take you for a believer.
So you would like someone that you think may not exist to kiss your arse. You must be getting desperate.
His worst includes racism, slavery, sexism and burning people in hell for not agreeing with them, so I'm happy with mine thanks.
I wasn't going to say that I am not religious and that I was just playing devil's advocate. But then wouldn't that imply I was being religious if I was advocating for the devil? My head hurts!
