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Off Topic War with Russia? - War and Nato discussion

Discussion in 'Newcastle United' started by Darth Plagueis, Jan 26, 2022.

  1. Prince Isak (GG)

    Prince Isak (GG) Well-Known Member

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  2. Toonitus

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    It's going to be a massacre 18k bus drivers with ak47s.
     
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  3. Prince Isak (GG)

    Prince Isak (GG) Well-Known Member

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    Not aks mate. Machine guns. That’s even worse.

    It is actually horrible for the Ukraine people. Just thinking of the families and kids.

    Putin needs a bullet to the head.
     
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  4. Darth Plagueis

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    I understand but those who think it's just as simple as "they have a right to choose" aren't being realistic.

    Ukraine left Russia against the will of many, it has taken with it land that is of great strategic importance and financial value.

    Russia isn't going to just accept the US gaining control of this. It goes against the interests of Russia too much.

    When you have competitors/enemies, them becoming more powerful makes them more of a threat to you, especially if they're gaining land of strategic value right on your doorstep.

    You have to take into consideration how much of a threat your competitors are to you into consideration. If US gains influence over Ukraine, that's a massive blow for Russia.

    US is literally on the doorstep of Russia if that happens.

    If Russia controls Ukraine, then it has made itself considerably more powerful and put itself in a much better position to fight against it's enemies.

    The reality is Ukraine is just of too much value to Russia.

    Russia is not stupid. It's a super power, and it knows what it's doing. They've obviously calculated this for a while.

    Regardless of Should and Shouldn't consider what Russia is up against. Other countries that have proven themselves just as corrupt and ruthless in pursuit of it's own interets.

    Russia is playing the game, and there are others playing that are just as bad as them, and they know it.

    It's about power, simple as.
     
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  5. Toonitus

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    This is just the start..
     
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  6. Prince Isak (GG)

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    It is and like I said it’s going to take a cataclysmic event to pause or stop it.

    Putin is after the leader and he wants him dead.
     
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  7. Joelinton's Right Foot

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    Nothing you have said provides any justification for what Russia is doing.

    I'd think you had taken it straight off the RT site if anonymous hadn't cyber attacked it and taken it down.
     
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    I don't agree with the invasion, but all I'm saying is that you cannot expect to be as simple as just give countries freedom to decide.

    That will only happen if enough people involved can afford it to happen.

    Maybe I'm wrong and it's just purely Putin being 2022 Hitler, acquiring more power for the sake of power.

    But neither I or you are a politician or no anything about running a country.

    Russia have always felt threatened by the possibility of US influence over Ukraine right on it's borders.

    Russia is a tyrant, but so is American. Russia has calculated it's move, and decided it's worth the risk.

    I don't think it's just as simple as Putin is a power hungry tyrant.

    His country is in competition with others. How powerful his country is in comparison to his competitors matters.
     
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  9. Rum & Black for 2

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    All you are doing is justifying that the bully can bully if the bully feels it’s right to do so.

    Ukraine is an independent country. No matter how aggrieved Russia might be as to the direction Ukraine want to take there is nothing in international law which entitles them to do what they are doing.

    it is now for the rest of the World (I know some countries won’t) to take action to uphold international law otherwise every bully will try. It is as simple as that.
     
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  10. Darth Plagueis

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    I'm not justifying it at all. I'm trying to explain it. Explanations are not excuses.

    It's not as simple as people think it is.
     
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    America is also a bully and sadly the British are their pawns.

    Russia has had enough and so have the Chinese and the Syrians.
     
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  12. Darth Plagueis

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    Thank you.
     
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  13. Toonitus

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    Nb mate.. Let's not forget the US broke up the Soviet union in the 1st place either.
     
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  14. Rum & Black for 2

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    Not true.

    https://www.history.com/topics/cold-war/fall-of-soviet-union

    Gorbachev tried to modernize the Soviet Union but by doing so he loosened the shackles that had held the SU together which ultimately resulted in its break up. Gorbachev wasn’t American nor was he working for the Americans.
     
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    You might want to dig a bit deeper....
     
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  17. Mick O'Toon

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    Can see him making a move for Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania.
     
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    Billy Big boots threatening other nations now

    Finland or Sweden joining Nato would spark Russian response - Moscow warns

    A spokesperson for the Russian foreign ministry has warned that the accession of either Finland or Sweden to the defence alliance Nato would spark a serious response from Moscow.

    Speaking during a news briefing in Moscow, Maria Zakharova threatened if either Nordic country sought to join the security alliance it "would have serious military and political consequences that would require our country to take reciprocal steps", Russian news agencies reported.

    "We regard the Finnish government’s commitment to a military non-alignment policy as an important factor in ensuring security and stability in northern Europe," Zakharova said.

    While Finland co-ooperates with the security alliance in some matters, and is attending today's meeting of the body in Brussels, it has not formally joined the bloc
     
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  20. Darth Plagueis

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    Damn. Shouldn't have given his life for that really.
     
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