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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by ChilcoSaint, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. VocalMinority

    VocalMinority Well-Known Member

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    Girlfriend barely slept last night, had a panic attack tonight. I ****ing hate this situation.

    The family are preparing to evacuate to Poland as they have relatives there.
     
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  3. Schad

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    In case there was any question of their limited aims here, Russian artillery is shelling Kiev, and Putin is talking about "denazifying" Ukraine (whose President is Jewish). Russia intends to occupy the country.
     
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  4. VocalMinority

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    They were too late to leave before it started...
     
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  5. Che’s Godlike Thighs

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    Bloody hell mate. Hope this all comes to an end soon as. Horrifying.
     
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  6. Osvaldorama

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    Sorry you’re going through this. I hope they are all ok.
     
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  7. Osvaldorama

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    I totally disagree as usual <laugh>

    You’re blaming the UK for what Putin is doing. It’s not our fault. Well it’s only our fault in the sense that we have shown so much weakness on the western front that Putin has not been afraid to do this. Putin is a wolf. He always has been. It takes wolves to keep wolves at bay. Instead we have elected sheep who pander to each other about climate change and gender pronouns instead of reality.

    Ultimately we need to build as many military alliances as possible to achieve peace, not break them.

    I am not advocating for all out war but it is important that we back Ukraine in anyway we can. Otherwise Putin will keep going.

    We have seen what happens when you let dictators take “just one country”. And that was the third reich.
     
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  8. Ian Thumwood

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    This is entirely the fault of Western intervnetion in Ukraine which has given Putin just the excuse he has needed. The invasion would never have happened if the west had not tried to bring Ukraine within it's sphere of influence. I do not think interfering will benefit either Ukraine or the west and tje risk is so great that it is not worth getting involved. This move will ultimately prove to be Putin's undoing .

    I am not sure that the EU's threat of serious sanctions will help either. If they are serious about preventing Russia from modernising, my fear would be that it will force Russia to take what it needs and the aggression will spread further.

    It will be interesting to see how the invasion of Ukraine emboldens China with Tawiwan.
     
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  9. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    Hope all is okay mate.
     
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  10. Osvaldorama

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    I believe most of what you said is Putin’s propaganda. The nato part is just one part of this.

    He has been buying gold and selling US treasuries for a long time to prepare for this.

    He is racist towards Ukrainians and also is incentivised by Ukraine’s natural resources.

    The big question is; If we don’t intervene, where does he stop?
     
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  11. Ian Thumwood

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    It is not Putin's propaganda. Nata has recruited many ex-Soviet states and this has been seen as threatening by Putin. The whole raison d'etre of NATO has ceased to be to protect the west but to reduce any threat from Russia,
     
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  12. Number 1 Jasper

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    Honestly hope it all works out for you / them .
     
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  13. Osvaldorama

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    Mate this is pure Russian propaganda. Ukraine is a sovereign nation. All we have done is recognise that.
     
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    Sorry man, hard disagree.

    If a sovereign state chooses to be in NATO then that is their choice, this isn’t some form of Western imperialism, it is a vital alliance to secure our society against aggressors.

    Russias actions in Ukraine prove the importance of a strong NATO.

    It is the other way around in reality, we are paying the price for not going hard enough on Russia, they should have been cut out of the international community after Crimea and bankrupted, military defences along Russian borders should have been (extremely) heavily reinforced immediately at that point. Putin only understands strength.

    In this instance that initial weak non-confrontational response has allowed a larger war to happen in the longer term.
     
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  15. tomw24

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    This. The Soviet Union was dissolved in 1991. That's over 30 years ago. Just because a country is ex-Soviet, it doesn't give Putin the right to decide it belongs to Russia and hence invade it. The man's a brutal dictator and the West hasn't been nearly tough enough on him and Russia.
     
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  16. Schad

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    Especially when you look at the results here. Putin has talked about how the Baltics aren't sovereign states either, but wayward possessions of Russia. But they aren't getting invaded. Because they joined NATO specifically to ward off the possibility of getting invaded by Russia.
     
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    Hope they manage to get out before it turns really bad.
     
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  18. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace
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    Thoughts and prayers to your girlfriend's family mate.
     
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  19. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace
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    On this I am in agreement Os. Putin is the only aggressor in this situation.
     
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    Tom Tugendhat, the Conservative chair of the Commons foreign affairs committee, said President Putin had been “encouraged” to launch a full invasion of Ukraine by the limited nature of the sanctions package unveiled by the UK earlier this week.

    Stables, doors and horses.

    Ban dual nationality and revoke tier one visas.
     
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