Please to see you have included Brian Marwood, as I thought he would have been in list. Also what about Stuart Pearson?
My God - David Bond - the most miserable so and so ever to be associated with City. Wouldn't touch his book with a bargepole - he represents the old negative supporters of Hull City and Hullites of past generations The so called poll is irrelevant - how you can include players from the 1920s with players from the 21st Century that brought about three promotions in five years culminating in our place in the PL for the first time in our 104 year history is beyond me. As for Brain Horton how the hell did he get into the top 20 - player past his sell by date of average ability to say the least.!! Gareth Roberts was also a good club man but hardly earth shattering in terms of ability and success. A friend of mine used to hate him so much that when he scored he refused to accept the fact. Ken Houghton - a good player but never a legend in the way Ash is.
how much more legendary do you get then captaining a club through all 4 divisions, despite a career threatening injury halfway through? absolutely laughable for him to be left out, no matter how old you are, in fact the older you are, the more you should recognise what he achieved, so thats no excuse!... gives the book as much credibility as the mr men series....
depends what you mean by achieved. if you just base it on silverware it's going to be an empty book. wagstaff and chilton at least put bums on seats (if you count standing).
That's because I'm not a pre-war person. Alfred Higginbotham, Albert Grainger, and Herbert Wainwright might well be legends of their era but not to anyone on here.
I agree and I could name twenty players which are in my mind are the greatest from my school days which would include the imediate post war team , Bly Means, Greenhalgh,Buchan, Berry, Burbanks and so on. The greatest players are the ones you appreciate when they play in your era. Most of you on these pages have never seen some of the greatest. My dad said Dally Duncan was Hull citys greatest player ever, I said he can't have been better than Raich Carter, dad said Carter couldn't lick his boots, what ever that meant. All that said, Ian Ashbie cannot be left out. Deano's claim to fame is the one goal he scored at Wembley for City (For which I am ever grateful) but he was no great shakes compared to some that have played for us.
This argument would make sense were it not for the fact that he's made such a glaring omission. My old man's been watching City since the 50s and I know Ashbee's name would be the first on his list. I never saw Wagstaff, Chilton or Bly play but I know they would definitely make my list based on what I have read and been told. I honestly believe that in 30 years people will be talking about Ashbee in exactly the same way as they do Waggy and Chillo and that future generations of tigers fans will rightly regard him as the legend that he is. So why the **** isn't he on the list? Brian Horton? Has he really done more for City than captaining them through all 4 divisions? Too often these sort of lists focus on the present and do not take into account more historical figures but this to me looks like he's deliberately gone too far the other way as if to make a statement along the lines of "check me out, I know so much about City that half the players on the list most of you will never even have heard of, what a hardcore fan I am". I don't care how long he's been going to watch City or how good a reporter is, if Ian Ashbee does not make a list of top 20 (or even 5) City Legends then he clearly knows **** all as far as i'm concerned.
if its on ability alone, why is okocha not on the list? because he played about 8 times so of course its ridiculous to have him on the list, so its back to achievement , and even if your 100 years old, theres no way you can have seen 20 people achieve and give more to hull city...unless i missed the fact we where multiple english and european champions back in the 30 and 40,s, maybe i need to do more thorough research of my tigers history..
indeed and most of us are not. but the books about city that many of us have bought in the last twenty years mention the players who did their thang before the war and they should be included. if leaving ashbee out distorts the history as someone said so does leaving out players we didn't all see.
To be quite honest I named them two because they are undoubted legends of our club and would be in everyone's top ten to highlight the fact that Ash could and should stand shoulder to shoulder with them in the all time XI line up. Ash should be in the top 5 and not to make the top twenty is unfathomable. In essence you're right re bums on seats until the end of their careers here,Ash did the same at Wembley though,a place neither of the above graced. Looking at it again I think Mr Bond has took the word legend to mean older players that younger fans don't know much about,especially as he seems to have been forced to include Deano by the publishers.
I,m suprised Ashbee has been left out, for whatever reasons the author saw fit. He maybe should be in the top five legends.
Good call, I didn't think of that. Or maybe he found an old paper with a match report from 1935, buried in a time capsule?
I knew it! I used to go to BP with my grandad (1950-1951) and remember Raich Carter and Viggo Jensen. But I also thought I recall seeing Stan Mortensen in the mid-50s: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stan_Mortensen The only man to score a hat-trick in a Wembley F.A. Cup-Final!
