I put this story on The Premier League option, but only got one reply. So I'll put it on here as well http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...#ixzz1bpqyvxev I much prefer the new interpretation of the offside law, compared to the old rigid one, which saw many a great goal disallowed, because someone was standing offside, but not actually making much of a difference to the goal that was scored. But clearly, lots of people are unhappy about the difficulties the 'new interpretation' has caused, so it seems right to discuss it. The 'triple whammy' of red card, penalty and subsequent ban does seem harsh for what is often a minor offence in itself when outside the area, eg handball or a push in the back, but how FIFA can change it, mmmm. Not sure what can be done here.
Is this the article in question? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2053378/Franz-Beckenbauer-lead-FIFA-task-force-make-offside-rule-simpler-understand.html
I'll throw this idea into the mix to see what everyone thinks: Suppose you change the offside rule so that it only applies in the penalty area. That would be a radical change that would effect the way the game is played how do you think it would work? I can see players hanging around the corner flag for a long punt upfield, on the other hand imagine someone like Lennon racing past a player to pick up a lobbed pass. What do you think?
The Mail decided to use a picture of Spurs players when illustrating officials being harrassed, than one of the millions of Rio or Terry barking in a ref's face. They do hate us, don't they? Most referees already apply the penalty rule so I guess it's important for clarity and consistency to get it written down.
I hope they look at retrospective action against people who dive, especially where penalties are concerned. Annoys me intensely that if they fool the ref, they get off scot free?
They want to remove the red card for being the last man? That's ludicrous. If you are the last man preventing a clear goal scoring opportunity, you should get sent off. Of course it is not always clear cut and the refs may make a mistake from time to time, but still. If a player is 1 on 1 with the keeper, rounds him and the keeper takes him down, he should get sent off for preventing an almost certain goal (*cough* Torres *cough* Zamora *cough*). Sorry about that...I have a bad cold I can't shake away. I think having an almost draconian rule like that has its advantages: the game is simpler and it makes the officials' jobs FAR easier, however I think its silly to punish a move because one player 20 yards away and clearly no where near the ball is offside. That's my take on it.
Hi all, thanks for providing an up to date, Superal. Lotak, FIFA don't want to do anything ATM, they're looking into a situation that needs looking into. I think, despite many people's reservations, that the 'triple whammy' punishment will probably end staying as it is. I remember feeling somewhat aggrieved when Keane got sent off for handling on the line v Bolton, in what seemed like a reflex action from him. But nevertheless he got the 'triple whammy' and under the current rules and laws that was the correct decision. Re the offside, I like the new 'liberal interpretation' and again FIFA will find it difficult I think to change it. Hi Spurf, it's good to think outside the box (or even inside the penalty box but I think your idea is too radical. It could be trialled if sufficient support for it could be garnered, but football is way too successful ATM to justify such a change I feel.
If it's a penalty, that is punishment enough. If the "Professional" foul is outside the box, then sending off is justified as the punishment wouldn't fit the crime. A brave change would be the ability to award a penalty, even if the foul was outside the area if denying a clear scoring opportunity.
This was the quote There's nothing straw man about it. I've picked on one aspect of their proposed changes and saying that it is ludicrous. I'm not saying the rest of the proposed changes are silly or that its all or nothing. But I think THIS particular one is. If someone is through on goal and he is deliberately tripped over by the defender (or keeper), in a case that doesn't constitute "serious foul play", that should still be a straight red and a ban. There's an element of risk involved in going for a tackle in that situation, and if it goes off, great, but if it doesn't, you have to pay a heavy price. That's just what I think. Red cards for professional fouls should not be scrapped. Otherwise people are far more likely to foul the last man and run the risk of conceding the penalty / free kick (if outside the box) than to actually do their best to get the ball.
Hi HD, interesting idea re 'penalties outside the box'. One problem with the solution that 'the penalty is enough' for offences inside the box, which is how things used to be done is when the penalty is missed, then foul play is rewarded. One possible solution is to award a 'penalty goal', thereby obviating the need for a red and ban. The goal is given so foul play is punished, but not in a draconian matter. The 'penalty goal' would only be given for where it's currently a red card offence of 'denying a clear goalscoring opportunity', though violent conduct inside the box might be a possible addition to that. However, a player say running away from goal who is tripped by a defender, should simply get the penalty, and maybe a yellow , which is as the law and rules stand, and that should remain so.
Apologies Lotak, I misread the article it seems they are proposing rather than investigating. So apologies again. my mistake.
Cheers Lotak I know it infuriates me when someone criticises me when it's them who have misunderstood, so I congratulate you on your tolerance.
The trouble is that refs don't want to do it. Giving a red card and a penalty is not something they like doing as if they get it wrong it's an even bigger mistake. Remember the Villa - United League Cup Final a couple of seasons ago? Vidic took out Agbonlahor about 5 minutes in, gave away a penalty but only got booked despite being clearly the last man and preventing him from shooting. If the refs don't want to do it then atleast make it the law so that there's consistency.
I think the FA should have the power to revoke yellow cards. The fact that they can't is ludicrous to me.
