Devolution

How would this work within the UK?

Say if Scotland were to get full independence how would it be able to create enough money to sustain its current expenditure?

There's the oil in the North Sea, but is this owned by the UK/GB or the rights by an oil company?

Would English owned companies shut down factories in Scotland to relocate in England to ensure there is more employment in England, something which perhaps the English government would reward them for?

Scottish companies shut down in England etc?

Must be like ****ing chess trying to organise all that.

 

Devolution won't happen in our lifetime I don't think. It wouldn't work in my honest opinion.

 

Why wouldn't it work?

Is it the financial aspect of it?

 

theoretically scotland would have to get its fair share of all UK assets (not neccesarily oil as its in scottish waters) or at least something of the same value. most of this would happen due to where it actually resides,(schools, hospitals etc) but things like the armed forces/overseas assets would either have to be broken up and distributed or reimbursed, things like the falklands/gibraltar would probably have referendums on who to join i imagine.

basically a total gang ****

 

Scotland would lower it's corporate tax to match those of Ireland or lower and would steal English jobs en masse.

You can either move your company to London with it's extornionate property prices and high wages or Glasgow with it's cheaper property, lower wages and much much better corporate tax?

 

Thats the main thing, but I don't think we would trust a Scottish Parliament to make the right decisions for the country. Where could we actually make enough money to keep the country running smoothly without having full control of the North Sea? We would probably end up losing the free health service north of the border.

I voted for SNP at the last election but purely because I didn't want to vote for Labour or tories then, but if they were to vote on full devolution then I would vote against. I think the majority of Scots are the same, and luckily the English don't get to vote on whether to separate from us.

 

You don't think Scottish people are capable of managing their own country?

 

But as I said Mick the English government would put some sort of incentive there for English companies to stay in England & Scotland will do likewise.

Even with devolution there'd have to be some committee to meet up & agree things are equal in terms of oil & other natural resources.

 

Not a chance while we have ****s like Salmond in charge

 

In a free market EU economy state aid for companies is illegal. The only means of making it 'preferable' to be in one state and not another is lower corporation tax and England can't lower it's corporation tax because France and Germany would have to do the same in order to stay competitive and the only people who would win would be the corporations.

 

i fear change and am happy enough

the SNP have probably got a lot to do with why i dont want scotland to leave the union as i'm not interested in being typecast as some sort of haggis eating, whisky swilling yokel (although i do like haggis, regulary drink whisky and am from a small village in the highlands) and as they're the main thrust for independance they by association put me off.

when the scottish socialists talk about independance i'm usually more open to the discussion, its just a shame they're bonkers in other ways

 

Magic - that was a point I was going to say about the English - they would surely have to have some say on this?

If Scotland & Wales get full devolution then by default England will also be independent from the UK/GB government etc.

It'd be crazy to allow Scotland & Wales to leave without English folk having there say. The English vote would possibly be different though whereby they vote if they are happy for Wales & Scotland to leave if thats what they want or not.

 

It's the democratic decision of Scotland and Scotland only, England couldn't really prevent Scotland from leaving if Scotland wants to... unless of course they want to provoke a Scottish war of independance much like what happened in Ireland in 1918 when 75% of the country voted in favour of indepedance

 

not sure if resources like oil and gas would come into it as those are regionally based assets. things like the national grid and transport networks (does the amount of track scotland has accurately reflect its % of the UK etc) might be a bit tricky

 

anyone know what Tiocfaidh ár lá in scottish gaelic is

 

But the UK is made up of England, Wales & Scotland - N.Ireland I think we all agree is a seperate issue to say the least!!

If Wales & Scotland leave it'll just be England - they've not voted to leave yet will by default. I'm not saying they should vote directly for or against it more along the lines of:

Wales & Scotland want to break up the UK & form their own independant countries, would you be ok with this - Yes or No.

Its more a gaging of opinion & making them feel they are part of the process - effectively the result will be determined by voters in Wales & Scotland.

 

The National Grid in terms of gas piping is owned by several companies. Transco (now called National Grid) own about 95% of it with the remainder run by independent gas transporters - there is already a committee in place who manage this process so this would be extended if develotion took place.

 

The English have it in their heads that they are subsidizing the Scottish anyway so a lot will probably not be against it although you do have the God Save The Queen brigade to contend with.

On another note, would Scotland then have it's own Monarchy or would they keep big liz?

 

I think it's roughly......

"Come ahead Brum, you English ****"

 

but as for the resources themselves?

if it is true that scotland receives more resourcing than it deserves could we be asked to give these back/repay the difference?