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  1. The realist

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    Got to admit, decision makers hiding behind process to buy more time is rubbish. They’ve had plenty time, it has to be their no1 priority so get on with it. If it’s a case of it’s been offered and a candidate is considering it, then call that out rather than saying, ‘we won’t be rushed into a decision’ that’s their job, get a decision made.
     
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    Not even reading that article past the title, load of ****e!

    I didn't read Speakmans bit for the same reason. He isn't going to come out and say we have Roy sorted just paperwork to do blah blah cause if something happens and it falls through the fans won't accept anyone else and there will be an uproar. His best bet was to say nowt.

    RR don't know what's going on are how far along it is or isn't!
     
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    Can't argue with that. Its exactly how I felt on Saturday night.

    Why didn't we sign a centre half.
    What the hell are they thinking with that team selection
    and then Speakmans interview.

    Don't agree with the "fawning fans". I've been fully supportive of KLD and his team so far. Think they have dragged the club into the 21st century.
    However Speakman seriously miss read the mood on Saturday
    They need to get this right.
     
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    You should<ok>
     
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  6. The realist

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    Mate I’ve been voicing my dissatisfaction with KLD for god few months now and all I’ve been met with is abuse, I’ve had posts and threads deleted from this very forum for voicing those opinions.
    I keep hearing like you’re saying about dragging us into 21st century, a new recruitment model which has brought in all these talented players!
    Sorry but I just don’t see it, how are we any further forward than we were 12 months ago? A lot of these lads won’t even be here next season so it’s going to be yet another rebuild.
    A lot more questions need to be asked if the nee regime on my opinion.
     
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    Well I have just listened to Speakmans interview with Danny and Frankie and could not find anything in it to get upset about, to the contrary, what he said sounded quite reasonable. Is their is another interview that is upsetting everyone that I have missed.
     
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    You keep mentioning the lads won't be here next season thing but as frustrating as that is we have had that for as long as I can remember a few loans that we were u likely to turn permanent. This season we have the added few that have tool a step down to play for us and will probably be looking for moves if we don't go up, I don't see that as a negative for the recruitment side.

    It's rubbish if a rebuild is needed which is why I think this season we will need to get it right.

    I will read the article this evening when I get a chance.
     
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    I do think they have changed the mentality of the club and I can see the vision they have For a more progressive self sufficient club This is a massive change and by its nature there is a lot going on that won’t show obvious change. For me the direction is right. However it has to be balanced with results and the imperative short term gain of promotion. Some of the decisions lately and the public handling of the managerial change over the weekend worry me a bit that they are a bit wrapped up in their “Process” and have forgot about actually delivering some short term wins Saying that they bit the bullet and sacked Johnson. May be to late but I think if we can bring in Keane that may well be the balance we need
     
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    I agree we’ve had that for as long as can remember which is why I’m questioning the apparent sea of change that most on here seem to think is sweeping through the club.
    When we first came down we had a decent smattering of championship players and fact Ross failed to get us up with that was disgraceful in itself. Since then we have slowly assembled a real league 1 squad with very few if any that would have too much of an impact in the championship.
    That is a real problem in my opinion.
     
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    Agree with most of this but imho if we’d won on Saturday no one would be bothered about speakmans interview. Losing has focused everyone’s attention and they’re just looking for a blame game to jump on. It’s klds club, and he can take as long as he likes to appoint a manager, and he can appoint whoever he wants. His risk is financial, if he gets it wrong he loses a few million, which he can afford, if he gets it right he makes a few million as he marches us up the leagues. Our interest comes from the emotional attachment we’ve got with the club and our need for them to be successful, something we can be proud of being associated with, and until we can see things like he does we’ll never understand his, or any owners, decisions, they’ll never be on our page or think like us.
     
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    Imo some of the players we have bought recently could takenthe step up to the championship or at least there is the possibility (Stewart, Pritchard, Cirkin and the two new lads in January) purely based on their age and the fact they have been touted for big things and for one reason or another need to step down to this level to start or re-start their careers.

    This for me is what is so different, under the last lot we were signing players for league 1 with no chance of stepping up. Under short we signed players with questionable attitudes (easily shown by the fact they came here purely for a bit more momey), hopefully that has ended but time will tell on that one. We also signed players with no real plan imo, and that seems to have changed.

    One thing I will admit is the problem with the new way of doing things is it lack experience to get players through tough games. Someone like Cattermole would be ideal with this lot imo.

    But as I have said imo it's all about opinions and I choose to see the brights side.
     
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    The balance might be wrong but the idea is sound and moves away from the knee jerking we had with previous regimes, this one gives me hope even though I agree with the article to some extent but burning boats will not get us anywhere, This storm in a teacup was brought about by not acting soon enough and that is down to Speakman if he is in overall charge by not being able to see it coming. Even those who did, have been stunned by the collapse being so widespread. and changes will have to be made in due course, no doubt they will.
     
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    That emotional attachment is an interesting one. I think they actually do buy into the club and want to succeed but until Saturday I think they didn’t really appreciate the size and passion of the club It’s irrational emotional and until you see it first hand hard to envisage. For me speakmans interview before the game highlighted that. Hopefully the crowd the game and the reaction has hit them hard and woke them up. For me Keane will rebalance the clubs direction Carry on with the data driven recruitment but balance it with a bit of raw emotion Kevin Ball. Or Lee Cattermole. Would probably have dreadful data stats. But either one of those on the pitch on Saturday would have dragged us over the line. I’m hoping Keane can fill the gap. Bring a bit of raw emotion back into the set up He gets the club and the fans They can’t afford to cock this up
     
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    That’s my point though m8, he can afford to cock it up, it’s just loose change for him, if he gets bored he sells us, and god forbid we get another Donald, if we’re successful he gets all the kudos and a return on his investment, but either way he doesn’t see it like we do, and he’s the one in charge not us, so he’ll do it his way.
     
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    Bottom line that’s true. But just got to have faith. This club has a habit of getting under peoples skin. Quinn. Keane. Defoe. I’m hopefull they will get it right
     
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    I suppose im just old fashioned but the thought of non football men like speakman heading up recruitment leaves me cold.
    As Brian clough once said about directors, how are they meant to ascertain if you know what you’re doing when they know bugger all themselves!
     
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    Agree with pretty much everything said there.
     
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    I absolutely get that I might appear a right negative c@nt but why shouldn’t I be p!ssed off with the way things are?
    I never whinged once when we were struggling in prem as I pretty much accepted that was our lot, but languishing in league 1 is something different altogether.
    I really don’t like this set up at all or the noises coming from it.
    I’ll say it again we are a proud club with unbelievable support but I do think we are becoming a little too acceptant of the situation we now find ourselves.
    If KLD is the man in charge I really hope he doesn’t think this is the norm for a club like ours and merely go through the motions.
     
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    We have no choice in any of that mate. That’s why I don’t believe there’s a god, and if there is he’s a sadistic twat.
     
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