Was it Labour that sack 40000 care workers? I don’t think so. People may think Labour deserted them, maybe they dropped the ball, but the Tories have never , and never will look after the interests of ordinary people, it’s not in their DNA
Apologies posting on a phone which is doing its own thing. Labour supported the sacking of care workers - check their voting in the commons. That was the backing of a social experiment based upon a hiarchy of worth. Staff and the vulnerable we're looked upon expendable, the experiment failed and this aw not extended to the wider NHS. Labour backed this 100%. Labour ignored unions, royal colleges, caring organisations ... Labour ignored the ordinary people, failed them never thinking about the consequences would be post masses staff losses for ordinary staff and ordinary vulnerable people. In regards to supporting normal people. Culturally I can have more in common with Tories v the party I vote for. Do labour support me and my class culturally? Labours embrace of woke politics doesn't do this for myself and many. Our party doesn't wholly support us and it's a why some many have left that us.
I don’t agree with their woke stance, I certainly don’t agree with sacking of care workers, I also was very much against the Brexit stance, No party is perfect but I still feel they are more in tune and look after the interests are ordinary people, than the tories ever will. I’m financially better off under the tories, but that’s not what motivates me. I do follow politics as much as time will allow, and I find myself agreeing more with Labour on social issues than the Tories.
So the Tories wanted to sack the workers and Labour supported that proposal. That doesn't leave much choice does it? Do you vote for the proposer, or the supporter? All I would say is that politicians and party policies evolve over time. For example (ignoring whether you liked them or not): David Cameron's Tory policies were very different from Margaret Thatcher's Conservative policies. Boris Johnson's policies seem to be temporary and he doesn't seem to be sure what they are himself. Likewise, Tony Blair's 'New Labour's policies were very different from the disastrous hard left Labour policies of the 1970s. They swung back that way under Corbyn for a while, but have recovered more centrally under Starmer. However, it's far easier to criticise the government from the opposition benches - whichever party is in power. What I mean is Labour backed those proposals then, but that doesn't mean they would do now. Likewise, would today's Tories actually propose them? Maybe but maybe not. It's not a 'given'.
a very small portion of the losses were to do with banking crises, the losses pre crisis were huge thats why Bliar DID a quick exit! left Brown holding the can... however was good for us as the banking crisis came along with BROWN incharge ...... bit like COVID comes along and thank goodness we had BORIS .
And the country and the red wall disagreed, they thought labour had lost the image that you describe and the huge irony is as **** as the tories are they are still favourites to win the next election and what then for labour? Do they swing to the left again? For me I would probably vote labour if Hilary Benn was the leader, the rest are just as bad as the Tory lineup.
I will give Boris credit for unblocking Brexit which had become Groundhog Day, Labour’s part in that was disgraceful. COVID is different, the NHS got that done, despite of, not because of Boris, who’d been part of the government that had run it down over the previous 10 years. I find it odd that people that credit Boris with “getting the vaccinations done” some how just brush over the £bn’s wasted on unusable PPE. I really don’t understand the logic that gives him credit for overseeing one whilst overlooking the fact he also oversaw the other.
So what was the motivation for the caring Labour Party when they voted with the government over the sacking of 40,000 care workers? Should the leader carry the can for that one? Or perhaps they all read what they were voting on wrong, education, education, education? Here’s the thing there are millions of voters that would vote labour if they got their own house in order..
I don’t have a crystal ball to know who’s going to win next time, I do however think it will be closer than you think. Boris promised the red wall the earth, however as always with him he talks a good show, the trouble comes when you don’t deliver on your promises. Ironically The pandemic may work in his favour as he can always blame it for his failure to deliver, because fail he will.
You blame Labour for a policy that wasn’t theirs, whilst supporting the party who’s policy it was, very odd.
Wrong didnt watch PMQ's or the debate cant remember which one which answered Q's on this Again Parliament gave the answers, but you give the Question, then the answer, and follow with a statement that has not yet had time to establish fact ... you stated you were losing the will to live ! so wondered whether flowers or donation?
I suppose Munira Mirza, the policy chief who’s been with Boris since he was London Mayor, quitting over Boris’ claims about Kier failing to prosecute Saville, cuts no ice with your comments claiming he was right. He wasn’t and should apologise, but as ever with Boris he blamed everyone but himself.
Well we will see, how many people think my post was silly come the next elections.....I mean, with every thing believed bad, that's been done by the Tories, through the so say pandemic, Brexit, the economy etc.... Labour will never have a better opportunity to turn the Country red....will it happen? Not a bloody chance, now that's what I call a special kind of stupid !!
FOUND THE ARTICLE i WAS LOOKING FOR ... a couple months before GE .......... Bank director criticises current regulation and calls for structural reform Economics Editor,Sean O'Grady Wednesday 31 March 2010 00:00 Comments The financial crisis has cost the British economy up to £7.4trillion in lost output, according to the Bank of England. Andrew Haldane, the Bank's executive director for financial stability, said that taking into account the permanent damage done to the productive potential of nations across the world, as well as the immediate costs of supporting the banks and the recession, there is an output loss equivalent to between $60trn and $200trn for the world economy and between £1.8trn and £7.4trn for the UK. He put the hidden cost to the taxpayer of the implicit support offered to the big UK banks at more than £50bn. THIS STATEMENT from Haldane was about 2 months before the GE OF 2010 IT INDICATES the problems ahead ... = AUSTERITY period we had, and conquered. The potential Bankruptcy of our country was averted had things not changed in MAY 2010. It highlights just how much damage COVID has done to the efforts given up by all people of the UK for the years between 2010 and 2020 whether they were unable to understand the need to take a sharp shock to reach the promised land, or did understand that like people in their own "household" where you earn your money and spend within it, [your personal budgeting ] you keep the baliffs at bay!
My feelings on BJ are well known on here, but what I think he got RIGHT with the Covid crisis was accelerating the approval process and stockpiling the vaccinations. This gave us a head-start with our vaccination programme compared to the rest of the world (except Israel). I will grant him that. He's fkd up just about everything else. As for the PPE - I've said before on one of our older 'political' threads that I would not be a bit surprised if it later transpires that someone like Rees-Mogg bought extensive numbers of shares in PPE manufacturing companies at around that time.
What is fecking odd is the caring party voting in favour of something that put 40,000 out of work, why on earth would they do that? What next support a motion to bring back hanging? And have you claim it wasn’t their policy? Of course it wasn’t their policy so the fact is they never had to vote for it but they did, which isn’t just odd it’s fecking bizarre.
