With the numbers still very high and health services worldwide stretched vaccine passports are going to be in place for those who want to travel internationally for some time to come. In many countries, they'll be needed for entry to venues and events. Like it or not it's a fact of life and living in the Netherlands where the coronacheck is widely used I can only say with little or no inconvenience. Family vising from England had no problems entering the country, going to the exhibitions bars and restaurants as they wished using their vaxx passports.
Cases may be high, but I just don't think hospital numbers and deaths are high enough to warrant Covid passports any more. In the UK anyway, don't know about other countries.
This may be of interest to those planning a trip to Europe, updated yesterday. https://www.euronews.com/travel/2022/01/17/what-s-the-latest-on-european-travel-restrictions
As I said Tom they are a requirement for international travel to and use in many countries. Example from the Euronews.travel site posted above "Only fully-vaccinated UK travellers are currently allowed into Spain." I see they're going to be mandatory for Silverstone https://www.silverstone.co.uk/events/formula-1-british-grand-prix/your-checklist-formula-1 other events may follow.
People also need to look very closely at what is meant by “fully vaccinated”. I use a forum for non resident property owners in Spain, and I get a lot of current info from there. Some people might think they are fully vaccinated after 2 jabs, which they are, but for entering Spain the second jab must have been given no more than 270 days ago. If it was, then the booster is needed, but all second jabs/boosters must have been given at least 14 days before the day of travel. I have seen tales of people having to cancel holidays because of not knowing the above rules and I am seeing others cancelling because of the need for children aged 12+ needing to be double jabbed, with many having only received 1 jab. Bars/restaurants in Spain should be asking for Covid passes, although I know on my urbanisation some bars tend not to as the clientele tends to be the same people.
I did not realise so many European countries still required a test prior to travel. That really changes my decision of going away - I don’t really want to pay for an overpriced mandatory test that might even come back with no result (For reference the only PCR I have taken came back with no result despite the observer assuring me I did it right)
They never were. Fatality covid rates for under 70 is 0.05% Source: WHO. https://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/99/1/20-265892.pdf Their original predictions at the start of the pandemic were totally wrong. It was advisable at the start to be cautious, but the mandates and measures are total overkill now. To advocate for mandatory vaccinations and passports is to be completely out of touch with reality.
Choose a number copy and paste. Have a look at Table 4 page 24 which breaks the rate down by country the variations are big enough to show that the 0.05% is not accurate. But whatever the vaccine passports are here to stay for a while whilst infection rates and deaths are high still 2000+ per week in England. Also worth reading when discussing infection and mortality rates https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/news-...riant-concern-voc-week-2-data-13-january-2022 "The 14-day COVID-19 death rate for the EU/EEA for week 1 of 2022 was 49.2 per million population (country range: 10.2 to 142.7). This death rate has been stable for seven weeks. Increasing trends in death rates were observed in nine countries. The death rate peaked in week 2020-W49 at 115 per million population."
There's one small issue with this: the fatality rate among the general population of people under the age of 70 in the US (not just those who have had COVID: all people) now exceeds 0.05%. It's functionally impossible for that to be true. You're using year-old data from an author whose primary contribution to research during the pandemic was the Santa Clara study, which just about every epidemiologist on the planet tore apart as poorly constructed and extremely sloppy, and Ioannidis' prediction that the pandemic would kill up to 10,000 people in the US isn't looking great given that the number is currently between 80-110 times higher, and more than 10,000 people are dying each week.
You do understand how science works, right? In this case, a scientist published a study. That study was filled with methodological errors, which was pointed out by other scientists. It was then discarded as good science, and lo: the conclusions it drew have been wildly wide of the mark. The authors of the Santa Clara study concluded that it had a CFR rate equivalent to that of an average seasonal flu. At least 900,000 people in the US have since died. They were wrong. It was bad science.
The bad science is the “science” that was done at the start that predicted tens of millions of deaths, that was used to ram through authoritarian mandates. To be honest, this isn’t a science problem. You and I could look at the exact same data and conclude totally different things. I would advocate for freedom, and you’d advocate for lockdowns
Now there you go again Schadster giving a reply based on solid research, common sense and logic. Rogoman won't give that any credence.
He is cherry picking data to try and make Covid look as terrifying as possible, while at the same time pretending his studies have more veracity than the studies that don’t conform to his opinion. He’s doing the exact same thing that he is accusing me of. Luckily for me, I have the evidence of reality on my side. Governments across the world are finally waking up and dropping the ridiculous measures
Okay, let's look at what projections actually were. Here's me, quoting from a panel of epidemiologists, March 2020: Therapies, and in particular vaccines, have blunted that a touch. However, we're at 900,000+ deaths (by excess deaths, likely over 1m) in the US. Those numbers have proven to be relatively accurate given that they came at a very early stage. There were no predictions of which I am aware of "tens of millions" of deaths in the US. There were predictions of tens of millions of deaths worldwide, and for good reason: when the final accounting is done, hopefully sooner rather than later, there will have been tens of millions of deaths. India, as an example, had a period of several months in time when deaths -- not from COVID, deaths from all causes -- doubled. That's almost all from COVID, and estimates are that there's an undercount of 2-4 million deaths in India alone, but is not reflected in the current COVID death count.
Because those measures worked, you absolutely silly man. Denmark was able to lift restrictions because the restrictions they had in place blunted the spread of COVID until they could get the vast majority of Danes triple-vaccinated. Not because of some evidence that COVID isn't really all that bad after all.
Which is what this discussion has been about the whole time. Getting back to normal now, without the use of ridiculous mandates Denmark is ending mandates and treating its citizens like a free democracy instead of a dictatorship like Canada is trying to
Until international travel is considered. Dictatorship hardly that. Verging on the conspiraloon there Rogo.
