Saying that hate speech should be freely allowed anywhere would have been controversial 2 years ago.... Free speech has always been a extremely controversial subject. Its just free speech is often only associated with the positive parts of free speech and not the negatives. As well as the negatives that can occur from not having free speech which can be severe. As with all things I think there needs to be a balance, and that freedoms should be allowed as much as possible but only to the point they don't cause harm to others. As somebody who leans towards socialism, I believe that governments should have powers to somewhat limit freedoms in order to protect the wellbeing of the population as a whole. (gun control etc etc). Deciding where that balance should be is a very difficult and controversial subject though.
You don't enjoy it though, Os. You double-down. I've tried to explain as....hold up...SOMEONE WITH KNOWLEDGE....about the media to you, but you won't then think "okay, maybe I should listen here". You continue to say "the media are in the government's pocket". So, frankly, anyone trying to talk some actual sense into you gives up.
Just whilst we're here. Maybe, much as we should listen to a Rogan podcast to comment, why not take a look at the Reuters fact-check pieces? You'll note that they are linked up to the nines in terms of the actual checks. So you don't need to believe Reuters (though why you wouldn't, I don't know), because everything they say in their fact check documents is linked out externally to where that information comes from. You'll also note that the confusion around the Japanese dealings with Ivermectin was initiated by a badly worded Reuters headline. Good old subbies. They corrected it once they realised the mistake, and were very open about having made that correction. Which would be an odd thing to do if they were somehow controlled by exterior forces. Actually, on that note. Which government do you think Reuters is in the pocket of, as per your assertion. I would be fascinated to know.
This isn't censorship or forcing people to vaccinate. I welcome the Spotify response to the criticism where new content advisories will direct listeners of any podcast that discusses coronavirus to a dedicated website that “provides easy access to data-driven facts, up-to-date information as shared by scientists, physicians, academics and public health authorities around the world, as well as links to trusted sources”.
By the way, I don't personally care if Rogan is on Spotify or not. People should be free to make up their own minds. What I care about is the fact the Spotify pay him £100m to be on Spotify. So they have to take some responsibility for the content. That's what bugs me. If he wants to have a podcast that goes out on Spotify, be my guest. Just have it like everyone that has a podcast on Spotify does. The fact they pay him that staggering amount of money to do so, whilst rinsing other creators, is the large part of the issue.
I’m going to leave it now. I can see that we will never agree. Our views seem to be too different. As far as I can tell, you all think the government has a divine right to interfere in people’s lives as much as they see fit. Regardless of consequences or with little to no burden of proof. I hold the exact opposite view. I think governments should work for us, and only work to benefit us. What I see happening is governments creating arbitrary rules based on politics instead of science, curtailing freedoms whilst simultaneously ignoring their own rules as they see fit. I do not find any of this acceptable. I refuse to change my fundamental belief in the sovereignty of the individual.
You do yourself now favours when you make sweeping false statements / straw man arguments such as “you all think…”
I agree with this statement - but I don't necessarily believe we need less government but better government. As I am a civil servant though you may think I am going to say that.
What? Your thinking is so muddled! I thought we were talking about Joe Rogan, Neil Young and the media? The Spotify thing has absolutely nothing to do with the government? And yet you are happy to believe the government official figures. Now wonder your thinking is confusing everyone else here, because it's quite clearly utterly confused you.
But don't you see? This entire debate is part of a conspiracy to keep us from finding out what is really happening
Not so, as previously pointed out there is no record of Pfizer filing any such thing in court. I defy you to post any record of that. It was the FDA who were the defendants here. https://www.reuters.com/legal/gover...asten-release-pfizer-vaccine-docs-2022-01-07/
It's remarkable how frequently discussions with self-proclaimed free speech absolutists end with them grossly misrepresenting anyone who disagrees before leaving. It's also remarkable how often the "seeking uncensored truths" thing leads one down a rabbit hole of absolute falsehoods. Here's one of the participants in the US coup attempt explaining how he ended up becoming radicalized (and citing recent Joe Rogan guest Tim Pool in the process):
What I mean is that, most of the people replying to me in this thread are just brainwashed by left-wing views without realising it. A lot of people are spouting off comparing people asking honest questions about covid to trump supporters etc. without realising that by making these comparisons they sound just as crazy to me as those Qanon folks.
A roganista calling people using verifiable sources in their arguments highlighting the misinformation brainwashed left-wingers? You cannot be serious! Not a reference to a government in site, oh maybe the ONS can't be asred to check. I thought you were leaving it but no here you are again muddled as ever.
Malone and the other guest on Rogan’s show have a studied history in medicine and vaccine development. They are allowed their opinions. Just because you have been brainwashed into thinking only people that agree with you are allowed a platform doesn’t mean you are correct.
Malone's and others views have been comprehensively debunked, refuted whatever you like to call it for me to be happy that I'm correct in believing they're talking bollocks. No one in their right mind could give them any credence.
You can’t just tell people who don’t agree with you that they are brainwashed. That isn’t how things work. It ironically has the opposite impact in two ways - first it makes you seem brainwashed yourself and second it makes people more likely to double down / less inclined to take you seriously Second links to the first as it suggests you are not really a good faith actor in this regard. Whether you are or not is irrelevant when you pitch things in this way Given you seems to hop between thoughts like “I don’t trust governments” but also “government data is one of the few sources I trust” to “your source isn’t peer reviewed even though peer reviewed research was not on my list of trusted sources” I don’t know why you are surprised that people are challenging what you say and think Disclaimer (since you clearly miss this): none of the above has anything to do with my view on any of these topics. It is solely about how you are presenting your views.
TBH I haven't really been following this argument and I don't particularly care what this Rogan bloke has said or what his views are. What I will say is that people's views on face masks, passports etc will vary depending on their situation. People who are vulnerable, or who work in direct contact with vulnerable people will naturally err on the side of caution. For example you have Chilco's wife who works in a care home. I can only begin to imagine the horrific and tragic scenes she has witnessed over the last couple of years. This is why I don't have any issues wearing a face mask in crowded, indoor areas to protect other people. And I made the choice to get vaccinated for myself and my family. But at the same time, you have the majority of the population who barely get ill if they test positive. So I do agree with the scrapping of passports. At the end of the day we live in a free world and you shouldn't have to be forced to get vaccinated to live your life.
