In Greenwood's case yes. But your argument would mean that Foden is also likely to do the same. I don't want to think that's true. It's also a bit like saying that everyone who does weed is likely to move onto heroin, or anyone who gets drunk is likely to become an alcoholic. It happens, sure, but I'm not sure it's likely.
The two aren't mutually exclusive though. I'm hoping that all of them are genuinely disgusted by what he's (alledgedly) done.
well as an example We have a work 5 a side a long time back and one guy was fingered as being loose with his hands at home and we quickly cut them out. if these guys are only now dropping the guy then they get no kudos from me. Outside the required team whatsapp what i am hearing would have had greenwood blocked by me on everything a long time prior to this coming out.
Not really. We now know that Greenwood has had previous discipline issues so he has definitely accelerated. Foden on the other hand may have self control issues and not self discipline issues. There is a difference. As for the comparison with alcohol or drugs I would put that in the - all ducks are birds but not all birds are ducks - category. Every alcoholic started off by having one drink but everyone who has ever had one drink didn't become an alcoholic.
anyone else thing that greenwood probabaly has lawyer in toe when he was arrested and has been blanking the cops since. they now are given more time to interview and that has a limit. If the victim doesn't press charges or cooperate here can the police still prosecute?
Is it though? I think we're conflating exactly that. Namely, young men being irresponsible and getting carried away on England duties against a bloke who's committed an abhorrent assault on a young woman. It's not the same at all. As for a line being crossed when on England duty, sorry no. Foden and Greenwood, in sneaking women into their hotel room were just the latest in a long line of indiscretions by players on England duty. Keagan was beaten up by security and arrested at Belgrade Airport after being targeted for the squad’s misconduct on a flight from Bulgaria, including ‘groping’ an air stewardess and flinging cases around on the luggage carousel. Gascoigne was branded ‘a drunk oaf with no pride’ after being pictured shirtless in a Hong Kong nightclub with the England team shortly before Euro 96. The players took turns in a dentist’s chair in the nightclub, where alcohol was fired down their throats. Gascoigne also trashed Glenn Hoddle’s hotel room after finding out he had not been picked for France 98. He admitted he ‘went ballistic’, kicking a wardrobe door in and smashing a vase. He was restrained by Seaman and Ince before the team doctor gave him valium. AND THEN there was £5,000 worth of damage was done to the jet that took them home. I'm sure there's plenty of other incidents we could all find. And seeing as some of you are bringing Maguire's incident in Greece into this, let's not forget Bobby Moore himself was arrested in Columbia while on England duty and held for 4 days over the alleged theft of some jewellery. Moore was conditionally released and flew on to Mexico for World Cup 1970. It took a further 2 YEARS before Moore was found innocent of any wrongdoing and the case was closed. I dare say if he was playing today he'd be being used as an example on this board in this Greenwood case which would be equally ridiculous as bringing Maguire's incident into this. Reading the rest of the posts, it seems this conversation has now descended into a slating of all things United by some on here so I' done. But the idea that player's being arseholes is somehow linked to a bloke with a psychologically depraved and warped mind, beating and raping a woman, is just stupid. It's no different to me going on a work outing, getting pissed up and shagging some woman in the car park, with a colleague the same night beating the **** out of some girl and raping her. Rape and violence are nowt to do with blokes getting carried away, it's a symptom of a depraved mind which lacks empathy, is narcissistic and inherently at its core demonstrates a feeling of hostility towards women. It's not about sexual gratification or sexual interest, but about violence and power and dominating people.
I certainly didn't conflate the issue. I was just pointing out that Greenwood was one of the players involved in the Icelandic models story which to me shows a certain behavioural pattern. I wasn't comparing random sexual encounters 'at work' with rape. Not sure why you listed some of the England men behaving badly examples, there are probably more but none involving illicit sexual encounters on International duty which is why I said that this hadn't happened before. At the end of the day I think we're all on the same page with this.
They could explore a victimless prosecution through the CPS. If she gives a negative statement that makes the process more difficult. It would also depend on his previous with police. Has she called them before etc? Is there any witnesses that the victim has disclosed his behaviour to?
So gazza's "temper" there then meant we were all shocked he beat his wife too. And how he is still treated like a poor lamb by the press and i recall he even said hed change nothing.
Gazza was always Gazza's worst enemy... He could have been something really special with a bit of discipline instead of the punchline to so many jokes.
You’re right about England players. There has always been someone or something to be fair. I brought Maguire into it but only really in the sense that he’s meant to be the leader, the role model. He wasn’t. Period.
We're on the same page for sure. Where we disagree is on how we see other types of behaviour relating to this Greenwood incident. I genuinely do not believe getting your end away which is consensual sex is any indicator of rape or beating women which are acts of power and physical domination. What they did was wrong in the sense it was wholly unprofessional. Tbh I could see myself doing it at 18/19 but it wouldn't reflect on my upbringing or anything to do with being a rapist.
Yeh look we can talk about the lack of leadership and strong characters at United. We could have that conversation without this Greenwood case and probably agree on all of it. It's a problem for the squad and the club in a footballing sense. But it bears no impact on Greenwood being a wrongun and what he's done to that girl.
I see that lampard is in fact the equivalent of Theresa May. A unity candidate all sides can live with but didn't really want. May worked out real well too.
Well given I've likened him to Theresa may who managed to end up losing her majority and having endless humiliations I expect hed be more like agent ole tbh.
