Fairs fair Blono I've tried answering your questions it's right you should answer mine The attached is a typical plot of mean land sea temperatures do you think this graph is wrong or that this change in temperature is caused by something else? PS The Thames Barrier cannot be used as protection against a permanent rise in sea level.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-18/plant-respiration-co2-findings-anu-canberra/9163858 if there wasn't a net absorption of co2 I think we would be in deep doo doo
Where are the measurements for those sea temperatures taken? Was it an even spread across the whole globe or were some of them estimated? They didn't the reliable measures of temperature that we have today in 1900 so they must have estimated, is that correct? Why is there a particular uptrend in temperature around 1970-80? Is it because they could measure from satellites after that time? It's strange because before then there had been unbridled pumpng of CO2 into the atmosphere for over 100 years. You blindly just believe a graph you're given. Do you know anything about where those figures came from or do you just believe in the same way a religious person believes in God?
I missed the other bit. The Thames Barrier was built to protect London from rising sea levels But there haven't been any You think there have because someone told you but I hope you tried to find some actual evidence because you won't find anything. The Thames Barrier shows that there has been no rise in sea levels in London in the last 40 years. I don't need to point you to studies or models because the actual data is there. It's what they call irrefutable.
For anyone who wants a perfect demonstration of how the message is manipulated try this exercise. Open Google search and type Artic sea level summer minimum Then add a year. I suggest starting with 2012 because in that year the northern hemisphere had a particularly hot summer and there were extensive wild fires in Siberia. These wild fires coated the Arctic ice in black soot which exaggerated the minimum summer ice sheet. As you change the date you see the headlines for that year and it's blatantly obvious how, no matter what happens, there's always a headline. Spoiler - the Arctic Sea Ice is not melting.
If there is a permanent rise in sea level and therefore you permanently raise the Thames barrier, what do you do with the river Thames? Monitoring CO2 in the Antarctic - https://gml.noaa.gov/obop/spo/summary.html Study on the effects of rising sea levels - http://www.uq.edu.au/research/impact/stories/uneasy-waters/
I have no opinion about it because I don't know where they got the figures. I haven't offered you data to challenge I've just asked you the questions we should all be allowed to ask. That's why it's very difficult to get the answers but it shouldn't be. I hope I've made you look at what you're offered with a slightly more skeptical eye. Keep going and you'll soon be like Olof
They are typical figures, that's why I called them typical. There are numerous available charts that show the same thing. However if you like I can make it a very simple question. Do you think that the earth, is warming unnaturally?
Thanks for that. The detail helped my original thought, which in itself is based on 50yo Biology lessons at school! Looks like it's an ongoing investigation that's not giving them the answers they'd like.
Extreme cold weather warning in South Manitoba been issued.......factor 50 sun cream not needed there
This is a good read, from a Princeton University professor of physics. Explaining the historic levels of CO2 and the benefits of higher levels, sshhhh don't tell greta. https://www.thegwpf.org/images/stories/gwpf-reports/happer-the_truth_about_greenhouse_gases.pdf
That is a very interesting site. Did you look through the datasets? What I found from the data was that, apparently, apart from one I found in Canada, there is no yearly carbon cycle. The USA, UK and Australian data increases each month consistently for the whole time period. Given the NASA video that seems strange don't you think? Another anomaly is that the CO2 readings from the two Antarctic Stations I found were higher than the readings in Poland! Does that mean that in Europe we're doing a better job controlling our CO2 than those dozen or so people living in the Antarctic? The figures from Spain look like what I'd expect to see over a long time period. Readings going up and down between and within years. I wonder if some of the stations modify the data at all? I'm very grateful that you found some readings from Antarctica. I hadn't been able to. It's just a shame that they're tough to believe.
I think the earth is warming and there are many factors. First of all we're coming out of the little ice age that ended in the late 1800s. Man has had a definite impact. In 1850, when they say this climate emergency began, there were less than 1 billion people on the planet. They were just finishing burning wood for heat and cutting down trees for agriculture as the Industrial Revolution had begun. Since then we've pumped vast amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere, we've tarmacked huge amounts of the planet, we've built huge cities out of carbon hungry concrete, we've exploded millions of tons of bombs, as well as several atom bombs, our huge herds of animals for food are eating their way through vast amounts of vegetation, we've filled the skies with gas guzzling airplanes and the roads with huge fossil fuel drinking cars and lorries, we use huge amounts of energy to heat our homes and run our businesses and to top it all, we breathe CO2 out! In this over 150 years the temperature has increased by...... Just over 1 degree. Some of that is natural, even your scientists agree that so yes, it's warming. Is it a climate emergency **** no! We're much better behaved now. We have electric cars, buses and soon, apparently planes. We produce more and more of our energy From renewables now (which is why you're freezing in your home that you can't afford to heat) so I cannot see how we can be any worse than we've been for the last 150 years which means we're looking at an absolute maximum of 1 degree increase. Of course you'll disagree.
I have an observation about renewables. I happened yo be parked In an area today surrounded by a dozen or so huge windmills. The wind wasn't blowing so they weren't turning and it was very overcast so any solar panels would be producing limited energy. If we had to depend on them we'd be ****ed.
Said it before why don't they mention overpopulation, it's that that's risen exponentially especially in Africa and asia.... Ethiopia alone has gone from 40 million in 1985 to approx 119 million now!
No, actually I don't. I think we should make informed choices that move us in the direction of using less finite resources, hopefully reduce the pollution we produce and generally not kick the climate change can down the road if we can avoid it. Maybe making it a climate emergency gets some focus but if the focus is Greta and the born again climate campaigner Al Gore we won't progress. PS I'm not freezing in my home, it's summer here
Fundamentally you are right, if we had a quarter of the population than we actually have there wouldn't be a problem. Where would you start?
