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Off Topic Covid 19 restrictions have done one

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by dennisboothstash, Oct 29, 2020.

  1. balkan tiger

    balkan tiger Well-Known Member

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    I was just looking at the likes I gave on this and it sort of looks like I am liking both sides. But thinking about it there are two separate things, the rules being fit for purpose those rules Australians had to abide by for two years.

    If you have rules that everyone put up with, you can't invent loopholes because you're hosting a sports event and the best player won't abide by the rules.
     
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  2. DMD

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    I agree, which is why I said he was an arse. Both parties have come out of this looking ridiculous, and it has highlighted the high handed nature of the Aussies, applying rules that are unlikely to do what they're supposedly designed for in a meaningful way, and suggests they don't trust their own domestic measures.
     
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  3. Amin Yapusi

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    Rafael Nadal was in Abu Dhabi, then travelled to Spain, tested positive, then on to Australia all within 14 days.

    Why was he not denied entry?
     
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  4. DMD

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    I think that nicely highlights the ridiculous element of the Aussie regime. He obeyed their rules, but is no more and no less a risk than Djocovic.
     
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  5. balkan tiger

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    Because he is vaccinated?

    Makes **** all sense to me.
     
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  6. Amin Yapusi

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    He has, but he had also never disclosed his vaccination status. I am also anti-vaccine, but I am also vaccinated, and given his profession and need to travel it would have been entirely reasonable to expect him to be vaccinated until it was published a few days ago that he wasn’t. He certainly hadn’t bragged about being unvaccinated and that he was going to get in to Australia despite that, as was claimed.
     
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    Think Nadel came out and said he was a closet Skippy fan.
     
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  8. PLT

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    Nope. He tweeted that he was travelling there with an "exemption permission".



    If the Immigration Minister did indeed say what you've quoted him as saying there, which I'm not doubting, then that completely contradicts your original claim that started this exchange:

     
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  9. Amin Yapusi

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    How does it, that’s exactly what they did. He said he was going to nab him when he arrived, and that’s what he did. Why didn’t they just reject the visa in the first place?
     
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  10. Drew

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    I don't know all of the science behind this, but surely we can't say Nadal and Djokovic carry exactly the same risk at passing on the virus if they were unlucky to catch it again in Australia?

    The vaccine does lower your risk of passing on Covid and I'm aware Djokovic will have some natural immunity if he had it last month, so I'd be very surprised if they were of the same risk status. Which is better I could guess at, but I wouldn't be 100% sure.
     
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  11. DMD

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    There are studies that suggest both, and others that suggest neither, but it's academic if they are both negative at the point of entry and abide by the strict measures in place.
     
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    BREAKING: An Australian court has ordered Novak Djokovic to be detained from 8am local time tomorrow, although he will be allowed to visit his lawyers' offices to prepare his case.
     
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  13. Drew

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    Not really. Its about limiting the risk, which forms part of the strict measures.
     
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    I've done the visa/immigration thing for other countries, and the fastest way of slamming the door shut to any country is to lie/falsify information you provide for your visa or when presenting yourself to an immigration officer.

    Most countries would take a dim view of the "well, he's here now so what's the harm" argument. Usual action is immediate cancellation of your visa, deportation and a ban on re-entry for a period of time.
     
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  15. DMD

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    Yes really.
     
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  16. Drew

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    Convincing.
     
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  17. DMD

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    At least as robust the post I was responding to, so about what it was worth.
     
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  18. Drew

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    Ah, dismissing a point of view because you don't have a response to it. Excellent.

    From that I take that you think risk assessing plays no part in 'strict measures', so in essence the 'strict measures' become meaningless.
     
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  19. DMD

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    You weren't really responding to my point anyway, which is the same as dismissing it, and why I felt a short reply was about as polite as I could be bothered with.
     
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  20. Idi Amin

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    Keep your knickers on, twas a joke!
     
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