The Abuse of qatar

p.s to jordan!!! In fairness to the IRA they were not as bad as the terrorists we have now, at all!!!! I live in manchester were they placed one of there largest ever bombs, they gave a coded message to police telling them exactly where it was, only the fault of the police cause miMinor injuries to some people, not 5000 deaths like 9/11.

Im still dont appreciate whaht they did, but its not nearly on such a scale, it is a shame they didnt get maggie thatcher in brightone though!!!

 

luis nani, you say the wari n iraq is all about oil???? why? Why didnt they invae canada then because they have almost identical oil reserves??? I think it is about power and control not oil!! Surely it would have been easier to attack the canadians hahah

I think the debate for free energy is much more important, some believe it has been discovered but the large oil companies are simply too powerful and will not allow it to be used!

 

As for the whole palestine israeli situation, it really does say it all about religion, a war based in chritianitys most holy place, bizarre but informative. I think the fact that there is a large and wealthy Jewish community, basically running america suggests which side they take and britain will just follow due to debt owed to the usa!

Mate you just want to be thankfull america helped in WW2 otherwise there would be no palestine, germany would have conquered it in a matter of days!!!

 

Except they wouldn't.The Second Battle of El Alamein, which was the turning point in the entire African campaign, was won by the British 8th Army, supported by Commonwealth allies. The Yanks only pitched up after the battle was won, to chase the retreating Germans. Maybe you should learn some history before trying to debate it?

And Palestine is also Judaism's most holy place, and the third most holy place in Islam after Mecca and Medina.

 

Did I miss something? This is still a football forum isn't it?

 

Nope. We decided football was too controversial, so have moved on to less divisive topics. The United board has become the place to be for global geopolitical analysis, whilst the Arsenal board has become the destination of the final showdown between capitalism and socialism...

 

Compared to the west flying planes into Palestine where innocent people lived, killing many many thousands and stealing the whole country and calling it Israel.

Two places need sorting out, not Iraq, or Afghanistan, or Iran, no! Israel & Saudi Arabia these are the two countries at the root of the problems in the middle east and both are supported by the West.

 

You complete ****. You think that all the people from one country need to die because a few radicals committed a terrible crime? That is such an unbelievably ****ty thing to say. How ****ing old are you you backwards piece of ****?

 

So did anyone see the programme on Geert Wilders last night on BBC2 (The Most Dangerous Man in Europe).

He is leader of the Freedom Party here in Holland and currently on trial accused on inciting hate against Muslims.

His party has just won a large share of the vote here and he wants to ban the Qu'ran. He described it (rightly) as 7th Century Desert Ideology.

He points out that the Quran infringes women's rights, encourages hate against homosexuals and against people who do not want to follow Islam. He points out that the book says Muslims should make people convert to Islam or forcibly 'remove them'. He says he is not against Muslims and he does not want or expect them to leave Holland but he does not want the Quran to be acceptable here in Dutch society.

I agree with him, although the overwhelming majority of Muslims are moderate and do not practice the Qu'ran to the letter but doctrines like this do not belong in modern civilised society and they should not be protected from questioning.

He is a brave man to speak out against Islam, as the last two people that 'dared' to (Pim Fortyn and Theo Van Gogh) were both murdered. But as far as i'm concerned he can take issue with some of the vile and sick text in the Old Testament because these old books might give people a structure to lead a good life but they are underpinned by some utter rubbish.

 

Tuckers law

While Wilders may say that he is not racist, I think he is taking that line in order to get more moderates on his side. Nick Griffin is taking the same angle here. I am not a fan of religious scripture to be honest. While some parts may be interesting, following guidelines from 1000+ year books seems pretty backwards to me. I don't think religion is bad, I just think it can be manipulated by people to suit their own purposes. Basically I think what swarbs said on the other page.

 

Maybe, but the Bible says God will kill the children of women who are prostitutes or sexually amoral, and that gay people should be put to death. You've gotta try not to take these things too literally.

To my mind, Islam is being used as a weapon the same way Christianity was 500 years ago, when the inquisitors were putting people to death in the name of religion and small pox was seen as God's way of telling us to enslave entire continents. There's not much difference between the two religions in terms of their core texts and preachings, it's just the people who interpret them who are often a bit wrong in the head.

 

Wow another record thread for me over 150 comments but still doesn't beat my 250 something thread.

 

I think you have that somewhat back to front. I would argue that some people who feel repressed by the actions of other nations and groups, such as America, the UK, Israel and so on, use Islam as an excuse and justification to commit violence against these people. The same way that gay bashers and homophobics feel justified in using Christianity as an excuse, and anti abortion campaigners claim the Bible makes it ok for them to murder doctors. Remember that the Oklahoma City bombing was carried out by a Christian, the guy who initiated the Waco siege said he was the second coming of Christ, Lebanese Christians massacred Palestinians refugees and the Troubles in Northern Ireland were largely a religious war.

All religions are used as an excuse for violence, there are just more desparate people living in predominantly Muslim countries at this point in time. That's a geographic anomaly, and not due to the religion itself.

 

Gooner

 

Swarbs sorry but the troubles in Northern Ireland was really about nationality and religion was just a smokescreen.

 

Swarbs

Your wasting your time these idiots have made their minds up about over 1.5b people without knowing them. You can see the fear in their eyes over rubbish the western media has spread. THE WEST HAS KILLED MORE MUSLIMS THAN MUSLIMS HAVE KILLED WESTERN PEOPLE BY A 1000 TIMES, THAT MY FRIEND IS A FACT