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  1. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    have you heard any "explanation" as to why you have been having such earthquakes recently. is there an actual fault line there?
     
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    #fracking <whistle>
     
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    Disappointing. Here was I expecting an in-depth explanation of how the P and S waves acted oddly demonstrating a unique geological feature of your locality.
     
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    Yes and no. We're 1000 miles away from the edge of the nearest major plate but we are having intraplate earthquakes along a small fault line within the plate so chances are we.wont get anything major. There is a fault line where the quakes have been happening but it's a minor intraplate one so not normally active. Fault lines are just about everywhere apparently and minor earthquakes can happen just about anywhere.


    Been about four days since our last one and that was just a 1.5, i neither heard nor felt it and neither did anyone I know. Too weak. So suspect that was the last one for a while.
     
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    That's exactly what I was hoping... Something to do with our unique geology or something... But no. Just near surface so sound not muffled.
     
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    I wondered but none happening near us (that I know of).
     
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    Worth checking out
     
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    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    Strange **** <laugh>
     
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  9. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    I see tesla have now added a tailgating mode to their stupid inferior rubbish cars.

    Apparently they have called this assertive mode to allow you to set your stupid dick car to drive right up someone's chuff and to only slow not stop. it will also apparently change lanes to skip round drivers.

    In short if tyou see one of these ****ty little death traps coming up behind you aggressively you should brake test them to wake up the cock who's set his death trap to drive like a BMW driver ;)


    Tesla is the company thats built on nothing but selling carbon credits to other car companies and its CEO/ shareholders bit coin gaming and cult of personality. The sooner they get ****ing wiped out the better.
     
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    Tesla is an important company, not for the cars THEY make, but for changing the whole industry.

    Yeah, Tesla make problematic, unreliable cars, but they've forced all the good car manufacturers to start looking at electric more seriously... They've also inspired plenty of would-be "next Tesla's" like Rivian and Lordstown, and eBussy and all the many others.
     
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  11. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    actually mate that musk propaganda.

    Toyota have done far more than tesla have ever done for the car industry's transformation.

    Nissan have followed toyota not telsa into that market and they are the real players.

    The reality is climate change and fuel costs are making car companies finally get going. the toyota design philosophy of drooping any fuel source into the same car design has meant they would be ready for full electric, hybrid or hydrogen.

    the sad truth of tesla is it was a playboy's car costing more than $100k that was parked up outside flash country clubs for posing.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesl...NH4dX_2eo9MV-Bm9bCTTIom71dvH6MASBjwu_R7nQRL0D

    the truth is its a poor enough maker with huge issues getting its mass market cars going and is dependant on selling carbon credits to gas gusslers.

    the truth of electric cars is they are not about "electric" and gadgets on screens. they are cars. they need suspensions, brakes, and all the other bits and bobs that make a car good or bad.

    I pity the poor fool early adopters i see in their ****ty nissan leafs with the big coats and gloves as they are too scared to turn the heater on or drive over 50mph on a cold morning. there's 4 or 5 of those types i see daily. same poor fools struggling back and forth.


    tesla is one of the great american stock bubbles waiting to pop. the cult of musk is driving it.
     
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    Toyota was involved early on with hybrids like the Prius and various concepts, but Toyota execs even today think the future is hydrogen, not electric. They're the last hold outs spending the mega millions on Hydrogen R&D.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Tesla folded (or more likely get bought out) at some point in the future, but no doubting that they are the most media forward company selling electrics. They were the ones that shook the game up. I doubt we would be anywhere near where we are today without Tesla. He may have been selling a bunch of lies, but Musk made investing in electric fashionable.

    Musk is undoubtedly a shifty unethical twat, but he's helped make some crazy investments fashionable and moved things mainstream.

    Ironically, Musk reminds me of another shifty technologist from 100 or so years back who Nikola Tesla himself had a big public fight with.

    There again, mobile phones are a big part of the electric revolution too, mobile phones really pushed the battery development that allowed.electric cars today.
     
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    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    toyota are already ahead of the game in other words, electric is fashionable but the minute the crunch comes in battery materials if 50% of all cars globally needed them is going to be massive

    If anyone thinks trucks and buses etc can get around on batteries they are nuts.

    Musk is like Delorean. voted most likely to be caught in a room with a kilo of heroin at high school.

    honestly mate you are falling for the US tesla rubbish. the "penetration" globally of tesla is nothing. the japanese are leading this 100%

    what is making electric fashionable is bleeding hearts TBH. Its absolutely awful for anyone who has a long commute but the drive way to put a fast charger in and awful form someone who live sin a city but has no access to a fast charger LOL

    you couldn't make it up really. the rules on electric range for example: 25°C is the temperature where range has to be reported. about 5 days a ****ing year! then the only warranty you get is for a certain drop off by 100k miles. 305 or so. After that 100k the life on batteries can drop like a stone with no comeback so the second hand value is 0.

    these cars are the modern day equivalent of a lancia or an alpha. Only works sometimes, gives massive anxiety it's about to break down and its resale value is nothing.

    look on the bright side. when musk does run into a serious issue with his bit coin inside trading or his mass deaths under las vegas or his rockets blowing up or whatever really then its all actually smoke and mirrors and bar a lot of americans losing their shirts on the markets the rest of world wont really notice as the real car companies have models and all the work done.


    If you think about it, the scandal of carbon credits is shocking. Telsa call themselves eco friendly so are allocated this free money credit to sell on to a polluter to continue to pollute. Its absolutely crazy.

    If you are green gret, have a back slap of a tax break but why enable polluters but allowing these to be horse traded!
     
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    I disagree.

    There already are a lot of electric busses. In China the majority of busses now run on electric. (All the new ones there are electric). Worldwide busses have a similar marketshare for electric as cars do, despite being cars getting a headstart.

    I would have though electric made more sense for trucks than cars and plenty of companies have them in the work.E lectric motors are far superior to petrol engines for producing torque. The downside of electic is charge time, but there are rules that lorry driver's have to rest every X hours anyway. Also plenty more space to put batteries. I wouldn't be surprised if long haul trucking takes to swappable batteries rather than recharging though.

    I'd imagine trucking, once it starts off will overtake cars becoming electrified because it makes even more sense for lorries than with cars. Also being owned by businesses rather than individuals the cost of long term ownership is more likely to be taken into account than initial purchase price.

    People see electric cars cost more and take a pass. Businesses see electric vehicles will cost less over 10 years, and more likely to pay the higher upfront cost.
     
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    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Buses have a reasonable expectation of recharge over night but you still have to hold more than you need to run the routes.

    I agree that electric motors are far superior to the IC engine but in the end hydrogen power drives an electric motor doesn't it.

    Its just not practical to expect about 20 tonnes on a full LGV to run up and down hill etc on an electric charge. the main issue for either type is provision of enough charging points at enough places to enable constant stopping and recharging, as you say aligned to their rest breaks that are required by law (4.5 hours)

    The question here is simple the same as was present to people in the early 20th century when electric cars, steam cars, and ic engines trundled about. what power source infrastructure is easiest.

    frankly the service stations here are quite slow to jump on the electric bandwagon to attract in custom but there's nobody seriously chasing hydrogen.

    The issue for me is always range. the numbers given on electric cars and tantamount to absolute lies at this point unfortunately. they all know its bad so they are using the most favourable conditions possible to state a number and it is the equivalent of the diesel gate emissions scandal.
    the hydrogen fuel cell has no such issue today.... and that is something that is attractive.

    the balance between agenda's however is hard to find as the electric market would have us believe that nothing but sunshine and pure wind drives their cars as they pass coal and oil and gas powered electricity plants. they insist then that hydrogen has to be dirty and inefficient but its all really driven by agendas.

    my thing is this.

    if electric was the way the the indy 500 would be electric and F1 would be too. they are not. why? range. the acceleration and traction is amazing with EV but the range stinks.
     
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    Well most new electric vehicles nowadays have enough range to handle 99% of all trips that most people take without recharging... But yeah, definitely less energy density in a battery at the moment, but it's improving all the time.

    Hydrogen is interesting, not sure why it hasn't taken off. Probably because there has been no Musk-like media circus to promote it in the same way. Most automakers have given up their hydrogen research now, Toyota is the big one holding on. Electric definitely looks like it is winning


    Whichever industry eventually wins, it's a good thing. Anything that breaks dependence on countries like Russia and Saudi Arabia is good. (Although with electric we're relying on rare earth metals that China has a stranglehold on instead).
     
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    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    for me yes 90 odd % of trips are easy as most people live in one city etc and spend 90% of the time pottering about however in high density situations you'd need secure parkin with charging point provided now to enable people to actually charge and at the high capacity. The us has a lot of people living where there's drives and space to put in their own high capacity point. not possible in london or NY.

    the issue with hydrogen breaks imo into two things. first generation and who do you depend on for the new fuel. the oil and gas giants are happy for countries to fake clean energy by burning oil and gas to make electricity but are not so happy investing to make hydrogen via hydrolysis. the accusation made by greens is natural gas is the source of hydrogen so they call it dirty = green washing ev and dirtying hydrogen in one fell swoop.

    the second is hydrogen sounds dangerous. the ordinary punter thinks explosive but actually a hydrogen fuel cell is really really safe. batteries are actually more dangerous of the over heat than a hydrogen fuel cell.

    the chinese are also buying up land where these minerals might be as well.
     
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    Nottinghamshire have lots of electric buses that are used daily. Clearly working since they have plans to buy more.

    Don't know about other areas
     
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    As stated above, China is at 50% of all busses being electric already. Clearly electric is working out just fine for busses.
     
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    Like I read all that <laugh>
     
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