When I saw the line up for the game on Saturday I was disappointed not to see Carroll selected. To make it even worse, We played with inverted wingers in Downing and Bellamy which meant that they players kept on coming on to their Stronger foot leading to the Norwich defenders recovering and making it difficult for the strikers to have enough time to compose themselves and finish the chances. Bellamy who was putting in some decent balls was subbed for Henderson and then Carroll came on for downing for the next 10 mins we did not create a single chance until the first decent ball from Gerrard led to Carroll narrowly missing a winner at the death. Kenny Daglish paid 35 million for Carroll making him our most expensive player and then invested in wingers to maximize on his potential. He then proceeded to play Downing on the right when Carrol plays.Carroll also has the misfortune of having being benched just after he got off the mark against Everton. Even on Saturday we were left with workhorses Kuyt and Henderson on the wings with no outlet on there Enrique took it upon himself to be a winger. The irony is Daglish was forced to bring in Agger at left Back so Enrique could play left wing just after taking out our wingers in Bellamy and Downing. Carroll will continue to struggle if he is not given the required support. Crouch was given lots of time to come good and he finally did after the manager stood by him. Carroll needs such support and with him on the field maybe Suarez will score his chances as he does seem to be marked more than any other player in out team.
Carroll has been below par which has made it difficult for Dalglish, but saying that i think as you say Carroll needs to be played to his strengths which we haven't really seen yet. I think we have to give it a full season to see if Carroll really fits into the team which i think he will, If not then the blame for buying him hast to lay at kenny door. Its unfortunate that we payed 35m for him as if it had been 10m then i think we would be alot more patient with carroll. As it is I think we need another stiker whether he regains his form or not.
well one should be very disappointed to see dirk on a day lwhen norwich comes to town. the thing was dirk ended up left wing for a while and that just proves the point. kenny didn't do well changing the game did he. downing was poor and has been for many games. carroll's not been given much of a chance and the longer it goes the worse he'll be to be frank. there's no point saying give him a season when he's not getting on... I say give him 5 games and leave him on for the full 90 and see what you get cos thrwoing points down the pan like we are... well why not? and improtnantly after 60 mins both adam and gerrard we're out on their legs and norwich pushed us about in the middle of the park. So all in all a bad day at the office kenny.
The coaching staff know the players better than the media and ourselves. If he was performing in training he would be starting.
Thought downing played well in terms of getting wide and playing balls across but ****e in front of goal. Adam and Gerrard did look tired and that was when Norwich started to get somewhere., it was adam being lazy on the ball that cost us the possession that led to the goal
I've already made a post in another thread about this. Carrol should have started, there's no "The staff and coaches know the players better than us" because the mistake of playing Downing, Johnson, Enrique and to some extend Bellamy all from the start meant Carrol wouldn't get the required support when he eventually did come on, the players were tired and the crosses were made out of desperation, only then did Gerrard step up, but by then it was too late.
In the end here's the FACTS. 1. comolli and kenny bought the guy, injured in january. Ergo they take repsonsibility for that. 2. Kenny and the coaches, you can say what you like but they're the ones hyping it up too.... he's this he's that, the propaganda on the website is non stop. 3. If a guy doesn't even get 5 matches to prove his worth... like henderson got then i'm afraid you're never going to play your way in. 4. If players resort to route one the minute he's on then there's a probelm there too. All in all I don't see how in MY OPINION carroll can be accused of not showing form when he's getting not pitch time to show it.
I also think he should get a run of games and agree that we need to play to his strengths but the coaches must have a reason for not giving him this chance.
Maybe they (coaches) can explain why they bought a crock mid season for 35million who ended up playing very few games and is now starting from the bench. Perfect way to look at it is one Fernando Torres. Chelsea paid up 50mil and persisted with him and he looks like he is finally coming to terms with the way Chelsea play. His confidence is battered and he really needs to play.
I agree that he should play and I think he will be a good player I just think that there must be more to it. But what do I know.
I just don't see the big picture. kenny kept saying he's bought for 5 years not 5 weeks BUT.... god if you're just going to toss him about like this on the expediency of having the best team on the day then he'll never get any form going. for me we need to see a settled team now... 9 game is all but 25% of the year gone after all and I've not seen our settled 11 yet.
Just put him in and tell him that he is NOT to drift out wide or come deep, when we have the ball wide GET YOURSELF IN AND AROUND THE BOX!!!!!!! Leave all the link up play for Suarez and Gerrard and get Downing, Johnson, Enrique etc putting those balls in.
How can Dalglish be the problem? Is he out there playing for Carroll? Let's keep it real here, Carroll is struggling, has been struggling, and needs to buck his ideas up. At least show some drive that you want to get the goals in and the monkey off your back. I just think that Carroll is not liking the pass and move style and even when we do hoof it, he loses out most of the time anyway, give him some games might work but did he not have a run of games at the start of the season?
Why Daglish? He paid 35M for him. If Carroll fails he will be responsible for that massive loss of cash. At least with Robbie keane we got some money back and we may still get some money for Aquilani. Hypothetically, how much do you think we would get for Carroll?
Ahh ok, ya I understand that part and agree 110%. We could have got him for probably 15 mil this summer, or spent that on the Gomez, LLorente we were also after. Or got Marin, Honda, possibly Aguero in for that cash. Options of what we could have got are crazy. Not saying but just saying, Falcao went for around that this summer and left porto a CL team to go to Athletico. Forlan we could have got. I mean I could go on, but Carroll is here and we need him to get firing or else these debates will continue to go on and on.
Thank God for some sanity in this thread at last. In his present form Carroll should not play as he cannot, as yet, contribute effectively to our style of passing and move play. His passing is clumsy nd his speed of thought slow. If he wants to play regularly then he needs either to dramtaically improve his ability to assimilate or offer another dynamic alternative. We all (well nearly all) thought we were getting a young lad who would probably develop into a Shearer type player (bullying central defenders and lethal with head and foot). This does not appear to be happening. So we are left with a dilema. Do we change a style that is creating so many opportunities to meet what he is presently offering or do we help him to develop the skills that we need? At present perhaps his greatest value to us, is sitting on the bench. Defences then know that as they tire a totally different style of attack is possibly coming to them.
Everyone says give him some games and he will come good...... he had a whole pre-season which mind you he was scoring in and had at least the first 4 games where he was playing, including cup games, so he is just not playing well and if you are not playing well, to the bench you go. Good to see Bellamy firing a bit, that should help us out nicely too. But for me, Carroll is here so we do need to support him........but he needs to at least try to show that he is up to the standard and can make the grade. 35 million or not, effort should always be there and sometimes it looks like he has none.
