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England Captain John Terry A Racist?

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Ciaran, Oct 23, 2011.

  1. The Raging Oxter

    The Raging Oxter Well-Known Member

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    Neither the English or the Irish are a race <ok>
     
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  2. RebelBhoy

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    Irrelevant
     
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  3. RAVENBLACK

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    Correct Rebel.
     
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  4. Archers Road

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    So race and nationality are 2 different things?
     
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  5. The Raging Oxter

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    Who? The Irish or the English?
     
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  6. jerseymackem

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    yes.....?
     
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  7. The Raging Oxter

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    Yes.

    It's the Irish nation, not the Irish race.
     
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  8. Archers Road

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    Which is more important in defining personal identity?
     
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    The status of Irishness and Englishness within the great pantheon of humanity is not relevant when discussing the act of racial discrimination which is defined by the U.N under Part 1, Article 1 of the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination.....unless of course you know better than the U.N?
     
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  10. Archers Road

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    And why is it socially acceptable to call yourself a nationalist, but not a rascist? aren't they both manifestations of bigotry?
     
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    Nationalism is about promotion of your nation, racism is about the discrimination against another
     
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  12. Archers Road

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    Nationalism is, by definition, a form of discrimination.
     
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  13. Otto Flayshow

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    John comes from good, old-fashioned East London criminal stock. One can only guess how he'll occupy his time when he retires and doesn't have football to distract him.
     
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  14. Archers Road

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    So all cockneys are wrong'uns? Racist.
     
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    By definition?

    I can see how you could be argued that it can play a role, but not defined by it.
     
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  16. Archers Road

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    When you define people in terms of their nationality, you discriminate against anyone not belonging to that nation. Surely?
     
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  17. The Raging Oxter

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    Why? Calling someone English isn't discriminatory.
     
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  18. Otto Flayshow

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    Only cockneys of criminal stock are.
     
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  19. The Raging Oxter

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    Only when it's based on race.
     
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  20. GroveRanger

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    My apologies if this has already been mentioned but why would John Terry say that Anton Ferdinand was a Blind C*** if the accusation was that AF thought he heard JT had insult him? Surely it would have been "you DEAF C***" if that was the case.

    Football players Eff and Jeff all through games but JT along with Wayne Rooney have been the worst for giving verbals to refs. Despite any number of 'respect' initiatives too many players still get away with openly insulting the officials and historically Chelsea & Mr T have been some of the worst culprits.

    Maybe if the refs had the balls to yellow card every curse from day one of a season then by the end of August it would have stopped. There is a difference between a frustrated I-just-missed-a-sitter-for-Fecks-sakes outburst and an "oi ref you effing cheating c-you-next-tuesday" in their face and in front of the cameras.
     
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