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Match Day Thread Tottenham Hotspur v Southampton

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by PleaseNotPoll, Dec 27, 2021.

  1. vimhawk

    vimhawk Well-Known Member

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    Who thinks VAR would have worked quite so hard to disallow the "offside" if Liverpool were attacking. Also you might find they got involved when the dropped ball goal was disallowed because the ref made "a clear and obvious error".
     
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  3. Diego

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    <laugh> <laugh> <laugh> <laugh> <laugh>
     
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  4. redwhiteandermblue

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    Once again, PL officials don't understand "clear and obvious error." You only overturn through VAR when there's a clear and obvious error. You don't use VAR to re-officiate the game. The reason is that the latter may or may not improve the quality of the calls, and certainly has any number of negative consequences. On the other hand, the former will improve the officiating by eliminating at least some of the biggest blunders. So here they overrule when it's anything but clear and obvious that Kane is offside. I would have said he was on, but I haven't seen the pic yet.

    Also, one simple improvement to the offside rule is to make it feet only. If you can get your upper body ahead of the defender while keeping your feet behind, good for you. It would make for a few more goals, and a few fewer ridiculous decisions.

    The other disallowed goal the keeper is coming out at about the same pace as Doherty is going in. There's a collision which is neither player's fault, and the ball deflects in. Why is that a foul on Doherty? If he'd been trying to knock the ball out of the keeper's hand, it's against the rules, but his back was turned. It was an inadvertent collision.

    And what's the point of putting the ball in the net if they keep finding bad reasons to chalk it off?
     
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  5. redwhiteandermblue

    redwhiteandermblue Well-Known Member

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    Says it all. The officials had gotten to the point where they seemed to understand the concept of "clear and obvious error" and they go right back to their idiocy.

    Oh, and the chances of the BBC carrying articles all about the terrible injustice of it all are zero, even though it is objectively a more mistaken call than Kane not getting a red card vs. Liverpool.
     
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  6. Citizen Kane.

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    He was poor but struggles enough as it is in his natural position. Going to 5 right footed players across the back was a poor call imo especially against 10 men. Davies out to LWB and one of Rodon or Tanganga on for Reguilon makes much more sense and gives us a better balance. We've seen Doherty struggle over there before and against far weaker opposition in Europe.

    Then bringing Gil on as a RWB and keeping Doherty on the left was equally baffling and reminiscent of the odd occasion Harry tried to play Lennon on the left and Bale on the right, ending up negating both of them with one decision.

    The subs were poor. It was central midfield we needed more out of as Soton were more than happy to let us have the ball out wide as none of our players can cross the ball and Forster dominates in the air 9 times out of 10. With Dele and Hojbjerg ineffective and us camped in their half for much of the game, I was surprised Tanguy didn't get a look in and as DH pointed out, it doesn't bode well that we'd rather play two wide players out of position than bring him on in chasing a goal.
     
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  7. redwhiteandermblue

    redwhiteandermblue Well-Known Member

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    I wanted Spurs to repeat the West Ham 3-5-2 lineup since I thought it was worth building on. I was okay with him bringing on GIl against a parked bus but don't understand why he isn't given a shot on the LW, since that's exactly where he played for Spain, and also thought Ndombele should have come on.
     
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  8. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    Always enjoyable when the ref decides they want to be the main talking point after a match...
     
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  9. vimhawk

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    Great. That just makes it worse!

    New records? Has a team had three goals disallowed before? Probably, but it's up there with records you don't really want!

    Wait for the "analysis" on MOTD. You'll probably find they say that the first yellow was "soft" (despite him committing several dodgy tackles before he was finally carded).
     
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  10. deedub93

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    Didn't Greaves have 3 goals disallowed v Real Madrid in the European Cup? Perhaps Maggie or Big Smithy could help us out with this one.
     
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  11. crackerman jack

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    I think when you have two good goals disallowed it’s fair enough! <laugh>
     
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  12. "Thanks for that Brian"

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    Conte said that he didn't have a magic wand. He asked for time, patience and backing in the transfer market...
     
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  13. PowerSpurs

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    How would you measure whether their was 'daylight then? The only technology we currently have is drawing lines on a still screen. There would still be ones that looked wrong from the angle of the picture.
     
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    I'm reasonably sure there was a match during Poch's tenure where we had at least two perfectly good goals ruled out because the referee had an accumulator on

    I think it was against West Brom
     
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  15. PowerSpurs

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    The clear and obvious error rule has never applied to line decisions and offsides though. They are supposed to be 'factual'.
     
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  16. humanbeingincroydon

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    So let me get this straight: VAR won't overrule a referee's decision if the referee already made the call

    So what's the point of VAR if they refuse to use it if the ref's already decided? Or, for that matter, what's the point of a referee if they think their word is law and can't be questioned?
     
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  17. bigsmithy9

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    2nd of the season? WOW!
     
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  18. Left on the Shelf

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    If that had been Pool or ManUre the goal would have stood. End of.
    As for the keepers own goal, the only justification that I have heard is that it wasn't as debatable as the Schmeichel. <doh>
    In neither case did the keeper have any 'control' of the ball and both goals should have stood.
     
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  19. Alfie Conn

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    Transfer window can't come soon enough, hope we get straight in do the deals , what the f*ck am I thinking it's Levy we're dealing with ,our only hope is finding Levy bound and gagged under the pitch at WHL the day after the window closes
     
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  20. The Changing Man

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    And hope that he has been there since Dec 31st!
     
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