Call people what you want… But, as a site mod, bringing up Lee camp crosses a line which can’t be uncrossed. But I’ll let you off with a warning this time!!! I reckon keepers in the championship relegated us. Something like 30 points given away by horrendous keeping errors!!
Agreed. PIckford was never going to stay but the club should have tried harder with Mannone. Had he stayed I'm confident we would have stayed up Never seen a worse collection of keepers than Steele, Ruiter and Camp
Dan Neil will stay at this club until such time as he needs to leave to further his career. Neil, like Pickford (and to a lesser extent Henderson) is a Sunderland lad and a massive fan but he knows he may have to move on one day if he is to further his career. Home town loyalty only gets you so far and there is not a chance Alan She-ra doesn't regret choosing Newcastle over Man Utd - despite what he might say to curry favour with the B&W morons - 1 title with Blackburn is all he has to show for all the talent he had.
I guess we will find out soon how ambitious this club is....if an offer like 3 million comes in and they take it will speak volumes. I wait with interest
Yes, that's it. I've no doubt that any such paltry offer will be rebuffed immediately. But if it, or anything near to it is accepted, its almost pointless having an Academy. All players have their value, and their own ambitions. But £3m is chicken feed, and Burnley are very much not on the rise.
Always find these sort of comments a bit salty. All clubs sell players eventually and as everyone knows, the club has very little say in it these days - if a player wants to leave, then 9 times out of 10, he leaves If we sold Neil for £3m it would be a massive disappointment but I don't think it necessarily tells us how "ambitious" the club is The same situation existed with Maja - he wanted to leave, he refused a new contract, he cleared out his locker and said he wouldn't be back - what was the club supposed to do? At least they got some money for him. And let's be honest here, he's hardly pulled up any trees since leaving us - 11 goals in 50 games for Bordeaux FWIW I don't think Neil is the type to "do a Maja" but there may come a time where he knows he has to leave for the good of his career
I think there is a world of difference between Maja and Neil. Neil just signed an extension to his contract and stated he is happy and wants to progress with Sunderland. That said if Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City came in with an offer, I can see the kids head being turned. My point, if a 3 million offer came in from whoever and THE CLUBS heads got turned, thats a different story... My point...The club should declare he he NOT for sale...If a big club comes in and puts decent money down fair enough, nothing we can do.
apologies mate....i was a ware i could push people into a really bad depression bring him up. i agree, we were crap....but in my 35+ years of following SAFC never have i witnessed a such a **** group of keepers, i kept thinking we could get a worse keeper until eventually bottoming out with camp
On a slightly different tack, if Maja is still playing and available on loan, id have him back if Broadheads loan is cancelled.
I don't see why we would sell him for 3million now as give him a year or two more development and that could easily be 9million. More money and benefits the team. We shouldn't be selling the lads coming though until we have had a minimum 2 preferably 3 seasons out of them, obviously unless a silly offer come in. Selling them at the first sniff will see us lose out in the long run.
It's completely hypothetical because, at this stage it's just newspapers making up stories I'm confident he'll stay but if we don't go up we face a battle to hold on to him (and a few others)
I really dont see a prem team taking a punt at this stage. I also dont see a fee of £3m being anywhere near his current value to us in terms of the prize value of promotion. We dont have anyone near his level in our current squad and he is only going to get better. He has 7 assists so far plus a couple of goals. If he keeps going at that rate he is worth far more than £3m to us and we would be doing well to sign someone for £3m to get those stats. If you look at the history of league 1 players going to the prem and being a success it is slim pickings. I can think of maybe Fabian Delph and Dele Ali who have been a success at Neils age group. Others have ended up failing and moving on again soon. I just dont think prem clubs look at it as a good grounding for players to be prem ready. The only route I see for this is a high end prem club buying him and sending him out on loan for a year or two. Burnley arent in that game and I doubt Neil would fancy it.
dan neil only looks good as he has an excellent team around him, no idea why other clubs would be 'sniffing around him' like err hmmm and his feet are on the wrong way round, no idea how he made it past the medics if i was at another club i would tell them not to bother ...like.
It depends what you defy as progression. In a business sense, selling our best players for high profits is progression. But progression on footballing terms, is keeping our best players and recruiting other good players to play alongside them. It depends on the ambition of the owners and the club. And we will see what the true ambitions are in the coming years. If we sell Dan Neil, it’s clear to me where the owners are in terms of ‘progression’.
I bet some Liverpool fans said that when they sold Coutinho. They improved the team with Van Dijk and Allison using that money. Plenty of clubs have been successful using this method. I wouldn't bat an eyelid if we got good money for Dan and then reinvested it in the playing squad. Its what I expect to happen.
Burnley??, what's the point as there's every likelyhood we'd both be in the same division next season and better the devil you know
