Off Topic Coronavirus

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See, that's where the argument falls down IMO. Anti-Vaxxers aren't just doing it to themselves though, are they - by not getting vaccinated they are potentially carrying round heavier viral loads than those who are vaccinated, with a chnnce of infecting those who are most vulnerable thus perpetuating this never ending cycle, possibly opening up the door to more and more variants. The only way out of this is vaccination - follow the science!

Smokers have far less chance of causing passive lung cancer to others as we now have a smoking ban - so if you want to smoke, you either do it on your own property or smoke outside of a public premises. Isn't that kinda similar to what the Covid passport is asking of you? You make your choice, and act accordingly, no big song and dance about it

Breach a smoking ban and you get fined. Get pissed and smash up the local off-sales - fine, possibly jail sentence. Get fat, and Channel 5 will make a documentary about you!

No-one wants to see anyone deprived of critical care when they need it most, but people need to be accountable for their actions.



First come first served, as is the case everywhere until you get to triage when the consultant then has the onerous task of choosing who lives - but after years of practice, you would hope that they make the right decision.



Which one is a Chelsea fan?

That's if you are carrying the virus. You can carry the virus with or without the vaccine (granted higher load) so that **** is spreading irrespectively.

The sebsible thing to do to route it out is to have everyone tested and if you are positive you stay at home or face some sort of heavy punishment.

Even then that's not going to work unless we go full brexit and stop anyone from entering in or out of the country as this **** spreads country to country
 
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Well it seems that omicron has either peaked in London or people aren’t getting tested as they don’t want to isolate over Christmas.

Would be a nice Christmas present if it’s the former. Hospitalisations a quarter of those at the last peak, and 20% of these are admitted for something else, they just happen to have COVID - and this category is growing faster than those admitted purely for COVID. Still a week or two for these infections to work through the system, but the estimate of 50-70% lower likelihood of hospitalisation with this version is promising.

The Zoe research team at Kings College, who run the app which I put my data into on an increasingly haphazard and irregular basis, reckon over half of people who think they have a cold - runny nose, sore throat, headache - actually have COVID. I think this is good news, along with the hospital admissions of people who happen to have COVID - COVID may be endemic but it’s like a cold in this version, for most of us anyway.

We now need to ask the question about how long people need to isolate for. This has just been cut, but it seems that you are most infectious immediately prior to and during having symptoms. So perhaps once you feel ok again you should just go back to work.
 
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Another graph to roundly ignore because it doesn’t support the cult.
That’s what all the graphs are showing I think. The authorities/SAGE etc do seem ultra cautious, but that’s because they don’t know whether the blue and red lines are going to follow the green one yet. Fingers crossed they won’t, but they only need to follow it halfway to make things tricky for…….the NHS. Which I agree is pretty clearly not fit for purpose and really needs root and branch reform, but that will not happen overnight and especially while this **** is going on.
 
In fairness, I'd only been boostered 6 days earlier and given I likely caught this 3 days ago, my booster wouldn't have had time to build up to a high level of protection.
My wife was boostered over a month ago and no positive test yet.
I've also currently got zero symptoms, beyond a runny nose, which I'd put down to the vaccine.
Not all doom and gloom.
Thanks for your kind words all - it has ruined Christmas plans, but I will be with the immediate family which will be really nice still, and there are people in much worse positions this Christmas, so no complaints really.

Sorry to hear this, but I hope you are now feeling better. In my post of Dec. 15th, I wrote:

"I should add that for senior citizens over 65, the Sanofi/Aventis 'flu vaccine is apparently well worthwhile, and very powerful, namely, Fluzone High-Dose Quadrivalent, marketed in Europe under the name Efluelda"

If you are over 65, then I do suggest you talk to your doctor to see if he agrees with giving this 'flu shot. My wife and I are very glad we had this jab. Actually, it was my doctor who came over to the house to give the shot to us. The vaccine was in very short supply then, and was quickly running-out. Guess supplies are in better shape now though.

Just a thought!

Regardless of all these pandemic woes, I wish you and your family the compliments of the season!

 
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Sorry to hear this, but I hope you are now feeling better. In my post of Dec. 15th, I wrote:

"I should add that for senior citizens over 65, the Sanofi/Aventis 'flu vaccine is apparently well worthwhile, and very powerful, namely, Fluzone High-Dose Quadrivalent, marketed in Europe under the name Efluelda"

If you are over 65, then I do suggest you talk to your doctor to see if he agrees with giving this 'flu shot. My wife and I are very glad we had this jab. Actually, it was my doctor who came over to the house to give the shot to us. The vaccine was in very short supply then, and was quickly running-out. Guess supplies are in better shape now though.

Just a thought!

Regardless of all these pandemic woes, I wish you and your family the compliments of the season!

While I've got a fair few years before I hit that age bracket I have already had my flu jab :-)
 
This sounds fun
We could have scanners at entrances everywhere


Coronavirus: Swedish company urged to 'read the room' after unveiling vaccine pass microchips
Conspiracy theorists can settle down - the company says it's totally reversible if you change your mind. Photo credit: Getty Images
A Swedish company has developed a microchip that can be implanted under the skin and act as a vaccine passport that can be read by cellphones.

But conspiracy theorists can settle down - the company says it's totally reversible if you change your mind.

"Implants are a very versatile technology that can be used for many different things," spokesperson Hannes Sjöblad said in a video posted by South China Morning Post earlier this week.

"Right now it's very convenient to have a COVID passport always accessible on your implant."

Vaccine passports have been rolled out by a number of countries around the globe, to encourage people to get vaccinated against COVID-19 and stop the spread the virus by limiting movement of those most likely to carry it - the unvaccinated.

Epicenter reportedly has implanted chips in some of its staff members so they don't have to use swipe cards around the office, for example.

The first person to have a microchip implanted was British scientist Kevin Warwick. In the past two decades they've become a common theme in conspiracy theories, often falsely linked to Microsoft founder and philanthropist Bill Gates and 5G cellphone networks.

"I can hear my grandma now 'mark of the beast'," one person tweeted in response to the Post's report. Many people urged Sweden to "read the room".

Chips are common in household pets, and for some - such as dogs - compulsory in New Zealand.
 
One in three are unvaccinated in London. Shockingly low take up.
It is remarkably surprising and difficult to understand why. Younger society? Pushback? Religious reasons? Lack of trust? Poor communication?
It has become the societal petri dish for watching the behaviour of the virus and impact. Looking at the BBC graphs it is clear that many other city areas have hit similar heights but are coming down, while London is not. Hopefully things will begin to show improvement. Vaccinations have proven to be hugely successful, which is a blessing (for those that have chosen wisely).
 
Here in the land of Ashes cricket, we’ve gone from almost zero cases to 9,000 and building.

In particular, sunny Queensland ( where the Almighty holidays )…. Our beloved Premier has spent so much time bleeding businesses dry with hard border closures all round, only to open the floodgates and allow every cat & their dogs in, for the sake of Christmas, bless her.

lf the truth be known, there will be an election soon and the Labor Party asked her to make everyone warm & fuzzy.

So now we’re doubled jabbed, we will need further needle pricking just to stay ahead of the curve.
 
It is remarkably surprising and difficult to understand why. Younger society? Pushback? Religious reasons? Lack of trust? Poor communication?
It has become the societal petri dish for watching the behaviour of the virus and impact. Looking at the BBC graphs it is clear that many other city areas have hit similar heights but are coming down, while London is not. Hopefully things will begin to show improvement. Vaccinations have proven to be hugely successful, which is a blessing (for those that have chosen wisely).

I think you've hit on it with lack of trust particularly among the BAME community. I'm reading the most infected place in the UK is Brixton. A big issue on covid education here - it doesn't help when pastors tell their congregation there's no need for vaccination, God will protect them.
 
That’s what all the graphs are showing I think. The authorities/SAGE etc do seem ultra cautious, but that’s because they don’t know whether the blue and red lines are going to follow the green one yet. Fingers crossed they won’t, but they only need to follow it halfway to make things tricky for…….the NHS. Which I agree is pretty clearly not fit for purpose and really needs root and branch reform, but that will not happen overnight and especially while this **** is going on.

Here's a thing....

NHS Beds 1974 400,000
NHS Beds 1980 350,000
NHS Beds 1988 299,000
NHS Beds 2020 141,000
 
How many times has the nhs run out of beds
What with treatments being so much better these days there is no need for extended stays anymore

While many advanced health care systems have seen bed numbers fall, the NHS currently has fewer beds relative to the population than almost any other comparable health system.
 
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