I`ll completely ignore BJ (and his government), as I can`t trust his position on anything. I will however conform with advice given from credible medical professionals, like Jason Leitch.
No I don't. But this has to stop sometime. Otherwise we'll go into lockdown every bloody time there's a new variant. Otherwise what's the point of living?
This would be a valid position - if Sage were setting the policies. They aren’t and never have Otherwise our lockdown would have started earlier when this all began - likely saving thousands of lives Action would have been taken whilst Boris was ignoring it whilst on holiday. But it wasn’t What we are getting is an (at best) second hand retelling of what Sage is saying filtered through some of the most corrupt charlatans which have ever taken office. So I don’t know better than Sage. But nor do I know what Sage actually thinks. And nor can I be confident that what is proposed is in line with Sage
Go back to Cheltenham, Liverpool vs Atletico, spaffer's handshaking bravado bullshit the lack of an affordable, reliable test and trace program add open borders and there's the ****storm of suffering and deaths. Scaremongering was it? Tell those morning their loses.
You are indirectly making my point but maybe I didn’t explain it very clearly The government didn’t listen to Sage then. But they still wheeled Whitty out anyway So why should we believe that they are listening to him now Am I not making it clear that I think we should have locked down before all the events you mentioned? If it wasn’t clear - that is exactly what I am saying. For back then. I don’t know what you possibly could have read to make you think otherwise Now? It is much harder It is also comparing two very different scenarios. We have vaccines, and medication that fights this. And all signs are suggesting a milder variant as well. South Africa hasn’t been overwhelmed despite a sicker population with lower vaccine rates and far more people from a group we were told were more naturally vulnerable (at least early on)
Apologies. I know you don’t know more than Sage, but I saw red when you seemed to be using the vulnerable having had their jabs as a reason to ignore the rules. Having 2 jabs and a booster doesn’t make these people invulnerable. Many of them have illnesses that has destroyed or reduced the effectiveness of their autoimmune system. Some of them are undergoing treatments that weakens their immune system. Giving these people the vaccine may, briefly, raise their ability to fight Covid but it is unlikely to make much difference in many cases which means that they remain vulnerable.
What has happened to shielding guidance for the vulnerable ? That has gone away. Either on the instructions of the government or Sage or a combination. And we can’t really know which
I've no doubt you think the UK should have locked down earlier. My scaremongering comment was aimed at another post. The then and now, vaccines and therapies don't change our safety first approach. We're keeping our contacts to a minimum keeping, clear of crowds using masks and enjoying the quality of life we're able to enjoy.
That's the truly frustrating element. I absolutely understand lockdown fatigue...we're all exhausted at this point. But so much of the duration and intensity of the lockdowns were avoidable. In any event, I'd expect restrictions to be short, largely because we've finally managed to end up with a variant that is too contagious to contain by the methods that worked previous. We're basically just waiting on enough data to understand what sort of hospitalization and fatality rate to expect so that healthcare resources can be calibrated and boosters can be rushed to high-risk populations, because otherwise we're all pretty much going to catch Omicron. And from there we're largely just going to be crossing our fingers that it doesn't mutate further into a form that escapes immunity from the vaccinations/Omicron infection.
The models that they use for these outlandish predictions have been proven wrong time and time again.
If the lockdown comes in January, I will stick to it (even though I will have another birthday stuck at home)… if it comes in over Christmas I will carry on regardless. I don’t care what the government has or has not done, but if my family and friends are happy to see me then I will see them. I’ll give people the opportunity to say they’re not comfortable and I’ll see them after the lockdown. Simple really. edit: We also live in an era of told you so hysteria / blame society. So everyone treads the side of caution to invariably keep themselves from being convicted or blamed for unknown events. The government are **** (like all before) but they have to make decisions. Whilst people like Whitty and Sage can make their ultra cautious messages and will only ever come out looking good if it does go wrong. If the worst case doesn’t or even close to worst case occurs people will tend to forget what they said.
Well said. The government themselves (who have access to all the data) clearly feel that covid isn’t anything to worry about, so why should anyone else? It’s time for people to be able to assess their personal risks instead of using draconian measures.
I read in the Telegraph that SAGE are predicting 3,000 deaths per day? Given that the majority of the Nation is now jabbed (and getting boosted) i cannot see how this prediction stacks up. Any scientific types care to explain please.
Just guessing, but I'd imagine that their expectation is that we'll have a short peak where the hospital system is utterly overwhelmed, mostly by the unvaccinated but some breakthrough cases. There are still something like 6m people over the age of 12 who are not double-jabbed, so even if this variant has a lower mortality rate (and we don't really know that conclusively as yet) if a very large number of those individuals get sick in a very short period of time, it's going to mean some ugly numbers for a while.
The deaths have always been recorded as deaths within 28 days of a positive test. This fact and the fact that this variant is more transmissible will always result in a high number of deaths per day. Think about how many people who die each day from other things, test them and you have a high number of deaths WITH Covid(not necessarily of Covid).
If the data was including a lot of people who died from things that were not COVID, you'd expect the announced death total to vastly exceed the number of excess deaths recorded. That hasn't been the case in the UK; the vast majority of people who have been considered COVID deaths died of COVID, and a fair number of people who weren't recorded as COVID deaths indeed had that as a primary cause. Notably, the number of excess deaths in the UK over the past six months has been a fair bit higher than the tallied COVID toll.
Fear-mongering. None of their models have been anywhere near accurate. The fact they are still basing policy decisions from insane numbers like this is one of the many reasons that we are where we are. The idea of another full lockdown is absolutely insane to me.
