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Discussion in 'Newcastle United' started by Magdad, Dec 13, 2021.

  1. Tobes

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    Sorry to interject, but that’s not true. Vaccination makes it less likely that you’ll contract it, and even less likely that you’ll be symptomatic if you do. Obvs being asymptomatic makes it far less likely that you’ll pass it on. So vaccines aren’t just about personal choice, they’re about helping reduce the spread of the disease.
     
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    Just stop the ****ing testing. Problem solved.
     
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  3. Darren Peacock’s Ponytail

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    Are you Donald Trump?
     
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    We're only 3 points adrift mate
     
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  5. Mick O'Toon

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    Hmmmm.
     
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    Exactly
     
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  7. Roland Deschain

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    Next round of matches - Watford to Wolves, So'ton to West Ham, Leeds go to Liverpool. Only Burnley (home to Everton) really have a chance of victory. That means yet another defeat, as is likely, will still almost certainly see us 3 points adrift and within reach of 15th.

    The weekend after Saints play Spurs, Leeds vs resurgent Villa, Burnley go to Man U and Watford have West Ham.

    We could lose our next two and still be just 3 from safety. Then more winnable matches start appearing, as well as reinforcements.

    It could have been much, MUCH worse than it is.
     
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  8. Mick O'Toon

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    I do drift off and think if we win our next 3 games we'll have 19 points,then FA cup game and with 4 or 5 new players we'll need 7 wins to stay up from our remaining games,possible but winning 1 game seems beyond us at the moment,we live in hope.
     
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    All I look at is the gap
     
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  10. Mick O'Toon

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    I look at the maths.
     
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  11. Darren Peacock’s Ponytail

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    In which case the gap is an 'interval'
     
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  12. Mick O'Toon

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    Or probabilities.
     
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  13. Warmir Pouchov

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    I think we should have hope that Jan won’t come too late. The other sides we need to target have thankfully not managed to stretch away. If we buy well there must be hope at least.
     
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    If we can pull out a win from man united all of sudden there's no gap and we've got money the other don't.. They'd have games in hand which aren't worth much down the bottom
     
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    Never seen any clear cut evidence to back up this transmission and contracting it claim. Certainly seen it claimed plenty, certainly seen it disputed plenty. By scientists, facebookers and all and sundry. In real world application looking around me, it certainly doesn’t appear to be working that way. At best that gain is minimal. It’s a bit like the claim 80-90% in hospital are unvaccinated, seen it repeated and all over the news. Then you find out according to official figures only 36% of those in hospital with Covid are unvaccinated.

    Regardless it has no impact at all on whether vaccination is a personal choice. All vaccinations are and always should be. We got rid of the idea of imposing vaccinations on people yonks ago.

    If people want it because they believe it will protect them and/or others they should be able to access it. If people don’t want for whatever reason, then they should just say no thanks and accept the risks that come with it.
     
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    It’s far from done. There is a quagmire of **** at the bottom which we are part of. The gaps are not horrific. Games in hand have to be won. These teams are also getting a backlog of games which will place strain on their squads.
     
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    90% of those who are currently requiring the most care in our hospitals are unvaccinated i.e. those who are either on oxygen, ventilated or in ICU.

    Don’t agree on the rest. If vaccinations were just about personal protection then we’d have stopped giving kids the polio vaccine years ago.
     
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    Couldn’t comment on that, never looked at those figures for those in ICU. That would need some context too.

    However the claim I mentioned all over the news, spouted by the likes of GMTV etc was 80-90% in hospital were unvaccinated. There were about 1600 complaints to Ofcom about it being claimed on the Lorraine Kelly show. They had to retract it when it was proven the figure was actually 36%. It was just pure duping of public and doesn’t do anything to actually boost vaccinations as intended. It just quickly gets called out as bollocks and undermines confidence.

    Vaccination is voluntary. That is the law. We stopped mandatory injection of people with the nazis. That needs to remained confined to the past. You mention polio but we have a much more relevant example with the flu jabs. We should just use the same process for Covid.
     
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    I didn’t say it shouldn’t be voluntary, that said, I’d not be against any further restrictions being about those currently filling the most critical care beds, same as it was last year before the vaccine, when the extremely vulnerable had to stay at home for months on end, as they were the ones at the most risk of serious illness. Choices sometimes have consequences.

    If you offered most of the ****ers a free 2 week holiday in Spain but they’d need to be vaccinated to gain entry, they’d soon forget the Facebook medicine they’d been wrapped up in lol.
     
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    That’s not the case mate. Most are just listening to scientists that don’t agree with the mainstream. Plenty of very educated experts out there who disagree.

    Those who have had to be coerced by travel restrictions I feel sorry for. It’s pretty disgraceful. Mind that’s different to what you suggest and if your principals are so unimportant to you that you’d trade them for a two week holiday in Spain, then you’re on your own.

    I disagree with trying to impose restrictions on unvaccinated people. There are triple jabbed people filling critical care beds, do we restrict them too? The moment we segregate society like this, we sink into a way of thinking I think we all hoped was confined to history. If the data was so clear it would be somewhat more understandable people feel like that, but for marginal gains, it’s just a crazy way of thinking for me and slinks far too close to a Nazi outlook for my liking. The flu jab supposedly has similar marginal gains across all age groups. We don’t impose that. Do we place restrictions on people who smoke or drink alcohol? Or eat ****ty food? Afterall these people occupy way more critical care beds on an annual basis with heart, lung, diabetes etc related issues. People have simply had their thoughts trained onto one issue we face medically and in my opinion are now making irrational judgements they don’t make on any other issues with greater impacts.
     
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