The right to medical privacy is a ‘thing’ I wonder if that might change, insurance companies and private health outlets would ask questions and base their service/price on our answers … it’s not wholly impossible that States might move in the same direction if there was public support for it. Covid probably isn’t the pandemic that would move things there, but rights aren’t as inalienable nor God-given as we’d like to assume. next session - “when is it right to withhold health treatment?”
Sadly it is undoubtedly going that way. Look at Austria, Germany and Greece right now. We may follow suit if the sheep give it backing. They won’t understand what they are giving up or the precedent they are setting. It’s possible, look at the Nazis, they persuaded people it was ok. People didn’t really see the bad in them and went along with it. Was it their fault, or was the propaganda to blame?
The family of the deceased wanted to take it to court and wanted the employer to sack him. But of course there was no way of proving it was his fault. Which is right. But it has made a once nice working environment become one of increased toxicity and suspicion. Personally I was initially angry with the chap. And I can see why you would be to in your circumstance you mentioned. But what I am saying is it could all have been avoided had he made different choices. And that’s why people don’t understand why anti vac people choose what they do. I have asthma, a whole in my heart and other health issues with my heart. Years ago a lad came into work with flu. He sat in my room (just us two) and he was badly for days and I was concerned and asked him to go home: he refused because he was on a discipline and couldn’t afford it on his record. I asked him to go in a different room and he refused. I approached HR and they said that provided he is fit to work he wasn’t doing anything wrong. Subsequently I ended up in intensive care with a serious flu infection and heart and respiratory problems. Off work for 2 months. When I returned I was told that all protocol had been followed and that there was nothing I could do.
Yet the only issue you took with what I said was to say about how it was ethically wrong for people to be “coerced” into believing the non vaccinated were selfish. Speaks volumes.
It’s nothing to do with vaccinations that mate. That’s simply about not being a dick. It’s one thing rejecting a jab which may or may not help stop you getting an infection by a minimal amount. Rejecting common sense to not go out amongst people you don’t know the medical status of with an actual virus is a different ball game. You have absolutes in play, it’s not ok.
Still struggling The words you are looking for is yes you’re right I was wrong to suggest it doesn’t matter how they’d came to that conclusion. Coercion is wrong.
You made me feel for him, I’m a human with a lot of empathy fingers crossed he doesn’t keep arcing away from friends like he has with you, something might bump his wheels back towards some normality who am I to decide what’s ‘normal’? I’m nobody, but experience tells me that type of man doesn’t have an innate sense of joy or any air of contentment. People like that that I’ve known are generally belligerent, dismissive, angry, extreme-of-mood, and they infect those around them with an eerie sense of concern about what’s going to happen next - they are far from a relaxing companion. I should know, I work in MI5 monitoring lone-wolf-cells
And the words you’re looking for are “I’m sorry Cans all that you said is correct. The facts are right.”
it’d be open to an employer to make it gross misconduct to knowingly attend the workplace with active covid they could, in fact, have dismissed him without the absolute proof, it’s about ‘reasonable belief’ for conduct dismissals I should know, I work in the employment rights world
Nope they aren’t facts. And I never addressed that. I said how they came to that conclusion is important. Come on Cans you can do it, you can admit your statement is wrong and undermines basic human codes.
Yeah it would be easily shot down in court most likely. Sadly it’s a decency thing. It’s like the whole lateral flow thing. You are relying on individuals to actually take the test rather than just register it as negative so they can do what they want. We all hope everyone has that inbuilt thing to not knowingly spread viruses but people can be very selfish. The same lad who came to that party, posted a pic on Instagram days later surfing at Tynemouth beach with a group of people. By then we knew he’d passed it on knowingly, people had had a go at him. At the time he responded to one saying “sorry I’m too busy to not go to work or do things. I need the money too”. So he just rubbed it in. Even more annoying he’s now preaching about vaccines and saying people are stupid and selfish to not get a jab. Hollow isn’t the word.
You can twist and turn as much as you want, Pouchy, but you know in the context of what was said, firstly, what I was meaning and, secondly, that it is true. On the other hand your ducking and diving on what you “never addressed” is very revealing but as has been discussed that’s your choice and you are perfectly entitled to do so or not do so as you wish. I would add that coercion is wrong but wouldn’t accept people are being coerced into taking the vaccine and to suggest they are is being extremely glib with the facts.
You simply cannot be serious about that As for the rest you can’t simply change things halfway through. It’s a common theme when you get caught out. For instance it’s like when you claimed that there is no evidence the vaccines cause heart issues. Ridiculed it in fact. Only for Moderna to list it in their side effects leaflet That was a **** wasn’t it
That won’t help you take your blinkers off. Anyway do you now accept the vaccines do cause heart issues on occasion and you were wrong?
