I honestly didn’t know what the dark web was until he told me a couple of months ago. I don’t even know if it’s legal. I choose to turn a blind eye to what I perceive to be bad things. I plead total ignorance. He’s not a bad lad. Just has to much time on his hands. He’s single and lives with his dad. Need I say more.
Wriggling. Wriggling is when you try and distract and divert away from the issues being discussed. Not suggesting that’s what you’re doing. Anyway, if I didn’t make it clear enough. My point was that it doesn’t matter in the context of whether they have that view or not as opposed to how they have acquired that view. Regardless the contents of that earlier post are all factually correct even if it doesn’t suit your narrative.
There are a lot of reasons. Some religious, some think these vaccines cause harm (obviously they do like any vaccine), some don’t trust pharma in general or specific pharma companies, some think they are low risk so don’t see the point as they won’t end up in hospital so their choice affects no one but them, some are loonies. For instance why do some medical professionals choose not to have it? I get you want to know, but you don’t really have a right to. You can ask, they may tell you, they may not. As long as you respect their answer regardless it’s fine.
No. What I mean is. The only reason is because it’s their choice. What I don’t understand is why make that choice. What is driving it? I choose not to take drugs because some people I know died. There’s a reason. I choose to drink because I enjoy it. And like the taste. I choose not to smoke because I gag if I do and I don’t like the taste. The three I mention above I could have just said “it’s my choice and the reason is because it’s my choice”. It suggests ignorance to me. Just my opinion of course.
That respect thing is a two way street. It appears that both ways we think the other is doing wrong. What I am suggesting is. Let’s understand why rather than judge. Personally I think they are mental for not taking the vaccine. Just like a J witness won’t allow a blood transfusion. It just doesn’t make sense to me. Why would you want to choose not to be helped. Having said that (btw I did that judgement deliberately) they say we are mental for taking the vaccine. That they will cause more damage than good. That god has a divine plan for me. That I have more chance of being hit by lightning than dying from covid. It’s all false narrative i suppose.
We’ve had a 4 man discussion. Broadly it looks like 3 in the ‘you really ought to get vaxed’ camp and 1 in the ‘look, it’s your own choice’ camp We all know there’s no law on it - but things could move in a direction that makes life less easy if don’t get vaxed. None of us argue for teams of needle wielding heavies wrestling people to the floor in the supermarkets let’s have a hug and a tea
What you’re dealing with though is a group of people who feel marginalised by people who have lost all sense of decency. So whereas earlier they may have said “I’d rather wait to see if it’s safe” or “I don’t want it because it doesn’t align with my beliefs”. They’ve then been barracked with “you’re stupid” “you’re selfish” “you’re an anti vaxxer”. Just for holding a different opinion. So people have found it’s easier not to get into the discussion and just carry on with their life. The blame for that lies firmly with the government and medical fraternity for coercing people, brainwashing people, and demonising a whole section of society. Thankfully those people still have the right to choose regardless of the whole selfish rhetoric or the measures to treat vaccinated or unvaccinated people differently.
It isn’t a two way street. Nobody has a right to know someone else’s business, certainly not when it comes to medical procedures. You can ask but if they choose to keep it to themselves, you just have to respect that. I’m a private person generally. I don’t really want to know everyone’s personal business, it’s of no interest to me.
Until they want to go abroad. Or to a footy match. Without the proof of vac they can’t go. Which is wrong imho but it’s there to protect people i suppose. My fault all for taking this topic in a whole different direction but I suppose if we don’t talk about it without judgement we can’t try and understand peoples reasons. So back on topic and where i was initially going with my first questions which was related to the footballers not taking the vac. These guys are on the cutting edge of medical options and choices. Southampton have said that nion 100% are fully vaccinated and the reason was because of education. That they educated the players. And that’s where the problem lies for me. That’s why I said there a fine line between education and coerce.
By all means give them information if they want it. I don’t really have a problem with someone from the medical fraternity who believes in saying “can I talk to you about your reasons for not getting it”. If they agree and that leads to them changing their mind, then that is fine by me. However if they choose not to listen, or choose not to have it after you’ve presented them with information, then it should be left at that.
So what’s your views on the topic of people being infected with covid knowingly and still attending work and events. A colleague knowingly attended work when they had covid because they couldn’t afford to be off work. Another colleague contracted the virus and subsequently died. It can’t be proven that the first person was responsible for passing the virus on. The first person was an anti vac. That person choose to not take the vac. That person also choose to attend work. Was he wrong?
I know nothing about his life, nor why he needs/wants to live with his parent… so this is instincts He’s not good mate-material, he’s let his mind go off down pathways that, at his age, he’s just likely to keep running down. A diet of internet stories coupled with the false impression that there are many like-minded people out there (there aren’t, the internet just makes it look like there are) and a desire to find a higher purpose than family-work-respect (because they may be a challenge he thinks has eluded him) risks him becoming more and more locked-in to his ever so solid world-view of global conspiracies; and less and less engaged with a happy healthy life. I work in psychology. (I don’t work anywhere near psychology!!! I lied in order to give credence to my bullshit)
There you go again!! You anti coffee’ists are all the same. No option of coffee, I see. What about my coffee rights. You just want us to all drink tea. You keep claiming coffee is addictive because of caffeine. Well it’s not. I’ve got it under control. I can give it up if I wanted too….I just don’t want to yet. You won’t be happy until you drive coffee drinkers underground.
Absolutely not ok. If I had flu I wouldn’t go to work or attend a match/function etc. I wouldn’t go see a family member. Why would you think this is any different. That’s massively selfish and you’re knowingly putting people at risk. I had it in the summer when a lad came to a euro football party I was at, was right in my face and others. He had known prior he had it. 3 people from that party ended up with it. He had no idea of their medical status, he had no idea how lethal that could be to individuals there. My brother was there, he has severe asthma and got it. He was fine but it pissed me off. It’s never ok to go out with infections and viruses like flu, Covid etc. Very different to getting jabs etc, that’s an absolute isn’t it.
Ha ha. I was like really buying into it aswell. So let’s pretend I didn’t see your last sentence. And your quite right he is on a path which I don’t feel comfortable with. You could say society hasn’t treat him well. He’s argument is that he’s entitled to believe in what the **** he wants. And he is quite right and I’m allowed to think that he’s completely bonkers. We ain’t close friends anymore. Drifted apart because he’s still living in the 90’s and I just got old and boring. He is what I would call a waster. He is well paid and he lives with his father because he’s never needed to move out. He lives every day as if it’s his last.
