I know you read this thread. I know you have read DH4's use of the word 'Tory fan boys' and you have ignored it. You now decide because it's against Labour you'll pull somebody up about it? 'Politics is about policies and populism surely' I hope you were reminding yourself about that when you popped up with your faux outrage
DH4 must have been cringing when he seen his comrade had brought up the 'fan boys' patter. How you doing anyway, mate. You all set for Santa?
Aye all ready, off down our lads in Lincoln for a few days and then they are up here for new year for a few days, you all ready for it?
Yeah mate. I'm in Liverpool spending it with my old man. We went out to watch Newcastle getting spanked on Thursday which was nice. We've even got a tree up which neither of us usually bothers with
Nar, just checked the board after watching the match to see what others thought. Because you were posting on this thread during the match it was one of the top threads. Read the last post, it was terrible and racist. Now you’ve pointed it out, the previous fan boy post was bad, but it least it’s wasn’t racist. It’s not faux outrage, racism is racism.
I've been racist? If you pulled your fellow Labour supporters up about the use of the word 'fan boy' you'd have some credibility about your faux outrage. You haven't, though, so...
Frosty (not the snowman) has put the boot into Bonko, nothing like kicking a man when he is down.... in true Tory style.
Historical context is very inconvenient when you have a limited argument. 'don't look at anything that proves me wrong, only look here'
Sadly, there are many examples around the World where PR simply results in some very small, very extreme, parties holding the balance of power with just a tiny percentage of the vote. They use this to further their own agenda, as you would expect. Israel is the prime example of this, Their ultra right religous parties have influence way avove their support, because they usualy decide which party governs. Even where there is a more general sharing out of the Vote, say Italy, there is a tendency for a shaky compromise with co-illitions History tells us that this has rarely led to good government. For ME, and I stress that this is a very personal view, the best bit about our system is that with our 'winner take all' approach we can, (and do on occassions), boot the beggars out if they irritate us too much. And if anything is going to get Boris out it is this thought in the minds of his MP's.
The winner currently is almost inevitably a party that the majority don’t want. It’s nonsense. There are many forms of PR and it’s a case of making it work and reforming it when it isn’t not just sticking to tradition. If it was up to me Id also be making the lords more democratic. The thing with PR is that collaboration becomes more necessary. I don’t see that as bad and weak, I see that as a strength, some do. I’d say it limits extreme policies which is more important than extreme parties. The recent Home Office bill that says you can’t protest if one person complains is drifting way to close to dictatorship. The electoral system is established by the party in power. It’s plain wrong. I’d also get us out of the commons into somewhere round where party members mix not the jeering cauldron of intolerance we have to witness.
Just wondering how far back in political history is it appropriate to go back to, is it just far enough to suite your argument?
As far back as possible. My argument is that both main parties are dreadful, and until we get better people into parliament nothing is going to change. Propagating the lie that all the other side are bad and only your side is good is making the problem worse, not better. It's how scumbags get elected in the first place.
no one is going to try to change how elections work, it benefits too many people who want to keep what they have and stop the rest getting any of it. give them one year then the people vote again (online using NI number should be easy enough to arrange and check) if they fail in their promises they not only have to leave office but get a 50% wage cut, stop all the extra benefits they all get, make them as any other person working in london in that if they cannot afford a house there then they commute...they must declare any freebies/bribes they get from companies attempting to sway a decision in their favour and said company are then out of the race, failure to do so will result in losing the MP's seat. simple fact is that they get to do as they please, they lose nothing whatsoever no matter how often they fail, break promises or how many lies they tell and it is time they were held accountable.
