So it is still the same as just needing to show a negative test for the unvaccinated. The test could be the one you mentioned was inaccurate. I personally think everyone should have to show a negative test as being vaccinated doesn’t stop you spreading the disease. The symptoms are generally nowhere near as severe in the vaccinated so they could be turning up to events feeling fine with just their proof of vaccination to enter and actually spreading it round without realising
I don't think a test alone qualifies for entry for the reasons you stated. Family came over recently, PCR test and vax cert was needed for travel and entry to the Netherlands. The cert needed for bars, museums etc. An unvaccinated friend can't take his youngster swimming, his teenager needs the cert to join with friends going to the cinema etc.
How about simply it's no one else's business. Nobody normally would ever ask such personal questions to anyone other than maybe their immediate family. I wouldn't have a clue if women are on the pill, going through the menopause, men and women are taking medication for this that and the other unless they volunteered that info and not should I. How come there is a patient/Dr confidentially but with this, everyone wants to know and will know by default by being segregated. That's not right and it's not just the unvaxxed that feel this, you can be fully vaxxed and believe it's not right!
Vaccination certificates have been a requirement for travel for years. I've had loads of jabs as a requirement for overseas assignments. No jab no job. Corona vax series is the latest and not likely to be the last.
I suspect you do not want or will not accept a potential answer to this But despite that: We have been put under varying degrees of restrictions to both work and social lives for almost two years now. And whether you agree or not the government will not completely take these away whilst this virus is putting pressure on the health service. Whether they legit believe that or use it as a cover for some kind of totalitarian power creep depends on what your own views are Whether or not a certain percentage of women are on the pill has no impact on whether certain people’s businesses get shut down again for extended periods etc etc So what you are doing is drawing a false equivalency. There is no direct equivalency but you might want to start with something highly infectious. Also very rarely to people directly ask someone’s medical history in terms of whether they have had the vaccine. It is more often that who has or hasn’t is obvious from how they approach such discussions That said I was talking to a lady the other week who assumed from how I was discussing it (including my opposition to vaccine passports) that I hadn’t taken the vaccine. Whereas I had two at that point and now three. The doctor / patient thing has minimal relevance in this context really. It could also be a slippery slope in it’s own right
There is such a thing as social responsibility, and we're not talking about personal health issues like knob rot or periods. Covid is killing millions of people across the world and folk want to know that as many risks as possible are being mitigated. Unfortunately there are those who don't feel that we are all in this together, but we are and we have a responsibility to others to do the right thing. I don't want to die choking on my own blood and I certainly don't want to be responsible for it happening to anyone else. If folk want to go to a venue and need a test to prove they are clear then so be it and at least everyone there should also be virus free, although there is always a risk they are not. I'm avoiding gatherings and enjoying the mud and cold at the allotment but I don't have a problem with those who do want to go. I just had my booster and flu jabs this morning and I take my hat off to the doctors, nurses and the young people who were there making drinks for the staff and doing the 'vaccine run' from the storage fridges to each doctor and nurse. The amount of effort everyone at the surgery was putting into getting this done for the benefit of everyone, not just those of us fortunate enough to be given the vaccine, is remarkable. So many people are putting themselves out to make the country, and the world, a safer place and I find it incredulous that anyone could be anything less than very grateful and supportive of such a huge effort.
You might not be at risk of becoming seriously ill, as a result of Covid, but you could be at risk of losing your NHS job. Unless your role is outside the ones listed by Unison. If not fully vaccinated, by 1st April 2022, you could be dismissed, based on what the government is looking to introduce. Here’s a link to the Unison website, regarding the matter and telling their members by which date they need to get the first jab to allow for the second to be given before April. https://www.unison.org.uk/health-ne...ccination-of-health-and-care-workers-england/
I just don't agree with putting all the eggs in one basket, they are putting booster jabs before cancer screenings and other things that are just as important, that's not right for something that will not affect most people that badly. It's not right that they have and will get rid of healthcare staff just because they have not had a jab, that seems at odds to me with banging on about the NHS being under pressure, which they are every year btw regardless of covid. I firmly believe that to be vaccinated is a personal choice and of course if you have a job that requires that then you either do it or leave, I'm guessing you have some sort of cover if anything bad occurs due to the vaccines, whereas the general public by all accounts will not get anything as it stands as the pharma companies are not liable. We all know the government's across the world can not be trusted, they do not care about us, they do not even care to follow the super important rules, they can't be that scared by it then can they. I'm not sure why we are so happy to trust them now. Look at the way they fudge the death numbers, died within 28 days of testing positive is not necessarily a covid death, but it gets added to the tally! A lot of people just see the deaths and don't realise it's probably a fraction of that.
Not many people in this thread are saying things that would warrant those first two paragraphs. I don’t think anyone other than government think boosters should be prioritised over cancer screenings. If you are making a general point then fine. If you are trying to argue against someone then I am not sure who that is Who is the “you” in the third paragraph regarding cover in case something goes wrong? Your final paragraph suggests you are immersed in statistics. So do you know what you are at greater risk from? An extremely serious vaccine side effect or covid. In almost all cases I would be confident it is the latter And the sort of people who aren’t covered for a bad vaccine reaction are also not covered if they get seriously ill with covid on the fourth paragraph - you aren’t wrong but I’d be careful with statements like “we all know”. Some people don’t know or believe that As to the last paragraph. Hilarious nonsense. It could be just a fraction? You are aware that this could be any fraction. It could still be that 9/10 or 95/100 are indeed exactly covid deaths. I noticed you didn’t propose even a range as to what you think the “real” figure is. Anyone can make vague unsubstantiated claims And they need some kind of measure. Is it the best one? I honestly don’t know. And I’m not even sure how it differs to other countries
Re your last paragraph, you may find this useful. There's a table where you can select which countries excess deaths can be plotted. https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid
I'm not trying to argue with anyone, not my nature, just making some points about how I see it. Yeah the government are pushing the boosters as they did the vaccines, but people still go and get them, I'd rather forsake my boosters to let someone get treatment they need. I appreciate there is no way of making this happen but if I could, that's what I would do.Thinking of others and all that. I feel that if the death is 100% from COVID, then sure that's a COVID death but it's not, essentially I could fall down the stairs while positive and that would count as a death within 28 days....factually accurate but surely scaremongering to the extreme. The risk is not just from vaccine or COVID, there are also a huge number of mental health issues. Some of them I'm sure would be there regardless but surely the **** we have had to go through would have increased deaths of this kind. I do not believe the lockdowns are good for anyone, not for our sanity, health, not for businesses, schools, they just don't work. I would hate for my last days to be so lonely, not seeing any family etc, life is for living but for living in fear but that's just me. All the best to you all, your choices are just that, yours to make, I respect them all, it would be a boring world if we all had the same thoughts. Pro choice until I die!(and Saints if course!)
I can reveal that the Skates Skipper has contracted it - doesn`t make much difference though, since he is still injured.
If you want to spend half an hour shouting at your computer screen, here's an interview with Dr. Le Tissier of Southampton. https://rumble.com/vqrcts-ciiha-int...CmsyibJk65DQO97uvxXmfOQ9XAYCY7pXRIlJZcT3brnzM
I'll forgo that pleasure, a previous brief look at rumble was enough to know its level of bollocks and bullshit. God on the pitch knob off it.
Given how things have gone with people who have worn our number 7 for extended period of time we should be expecting Shane Long to come out as a covid denier any day now (But according to Saintsweb our squad is fully vaccinated)
It still astonishes me every time I see anything about his Knobgodliness, that there appear to be vast numbers of people who believe everything he says simply BECAUSE he was one of the greatest players of his generation. There is no correlation with any other aptitude he possesses, just his footballing ability.
Here's a couple of points and my take on it. 100% I do not trust the UK government. Weird as at heart I am probably right of centre. 100% I do not believe anything that normally comes out of Boris & Co's mouths. 100% I DO believe that by pushing the vaccine and booster they are doing it for the health of the population. 100% I DO believe it isn't really because they care if we are healthy, but because if we are not the economy will suffer and they will get the blame and be ousted. What I aim trying to say is IMO the government are pushing the right thing for the wrong reasons, but the bottom line is that it will speed our recovery from this pandemic.
I can’t say I disagree with any of these points The notable point here is regarding how they don’t care about people suffering - only the economy suffering
