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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
Stroller said:
I find most Leave voters don't want to discuss Brexit any more. I asked a leave-voting friend of mine to name some of the benefits of having left and all he could come up with was vaccines.

Of course Brexit has caused a rise in inflation. We have 1.2 million job vacancies, mostly in areas where wages are traditionally low and where jobs were previously done by EU migrants.
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This is way too simplistic, Strolls. You ignore the worldwide demand for oil and gas which has caused a massive hike in energy prices. A worldwide rise in the cost of raw materials, and computer chips. Government support for businesses during the pandemic.

There's currently a shortage of hospitality staff (due partly to Brexit, but this can be solved by inviting into the country those staff we need). Also lorry driver shortage, which has many causes and is a problem on the Continent also.

Brexit advantages will feed through, particularly once we get through the worst of this pandemic. One obvious advantage is not paying £10 billion net each year to a foreign organisation. And being obliged to take as many immigrants from the Continent as want to come. We are starting to build up trade relations with countries around the world which will pay long term. We are a sovereign power again and make out own decisions. When Brussels puts forward proposals for mandatory vaccinations, we do not have the fear that this will apply to us. Only EU member states
 
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Stroller said:
I find most Leave voters don't want to discuss Brexit any more. I asked a leave-voting friend of mine to name some of the benefits of having left and all he could come up with was vaccines.

Of course Brexit has caused a rise in inflation. We have 1.2 million job vacancies, mostly in areas where wages are traditionally low and where jobs were previously done by EU migrants.
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Most leave supporters have probably moved on and don't feel the need to discuss it anymore
And isn't it such a shame people might earn more for doing the **** jobs and foreigners can no longer be relied to do them for slave wages
 
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Goldhawk-Road said:
This is way too simplistic, Strolls. You ignore the worldwide demand for oil and gas which has caused a massive hike in energy prices. A worldwide rise in the cost of raw materials, and computer chips. Government support for businesses during the pandemic.

There's currently a shortage of hospitality staff (due partly to Brexit, but this can be solved by inviting into the country those staff we need). Also lorry driver shortage, which has many causes and is a problem on the Continent also.

Brexit advantages will feed through, particularly once we get through the worst of this pandemic. One obvious advantage is not paying £10 billion net each year to a foreign organisation. And being obliged to take as many immigrants from the Continent as want to come. We are starting to build up trade relations with countries around the world which will pay long term. We are a sovereign power again and make out own decisions. When Brussels puts forward proposals for mandatory vaccinations, we do not have the fear that this will apply to us. Only EU member states
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I didn't say that all of rise in inflation was due to Brexit, merely that Brexit has made it worse.

We invited lorry drivers on temporary visas didn't we? What happened? We only ever had to take as many long-term migrants as we needed to fill the jobs.

The loss of trade with the EU is 178 times greater than that which we have gained elsewhere. The only part of the UK that is benefitting from Brexit is Northern Ireland because it's still in the Single Market.
 
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Goldhawk-Road said:
This is way too simplistic, Strolls. You ignore the worldwide demand for oil and gas which has caused a massive hike in energy prices. A worldwide rise in the cost of raw materials, and computer chips. Government support for businesses during the pandemic.

There's currently a shortage of hospitality staff (due partly to Brexit, but this can be solved by inviting into the country those staff we need). Also lorry driver shortage, which has many causes and is a problem on the Continent also.

Brexit advantages will feed through, particularly once we get through the worst of this pandemic. One obvious advantage is not paying £10 billion net each year to a foreign organisation. And being obliged to take as many immigrants from the Continent as want to come. We are starting to build up trade relations with countries around the world which will pay long term. We are a sovereign power again and make out own decisions. When Brussels puts forward proposals for mandatory vaccinations, we do not have the fear that this will apply to us. Only EU member states
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Post of the day and spot on. :emoticon-0137-clapp
 
Goldhawk-Road said:
It was a comment made on Sky News, I think by a journalist. I assume there will be an inquest and the so called professionals will have to answer for their apparent negligence in dealing with someone who described herself as a psycho, threatened severe violence online and was seen giving the poor child a beating in the car.
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Id be interested to hear the source of this sky reporter, I’ve looked on the sky website and they make no mention of social services being concerned over being accused of any sort of discrimination. Just sounds like excuses and a false distraction.

As you say hopefully the inquest will make the failings clear. I suspect the ever increasing workload and lack of qualified social workers will be a factor, among others.
 
Stroller said:
I didn't say that all of rise in inflation was due to Brexit, merely that Brexit has made it worse.

We invited lorry drivers on temporary visas didn't we? What happened? We only ever had to take as many long-term migrants as we needed to fill the jobs.

The loss of trade with the EU is 178 times greater than that which we have gained elsewhere. The only part of the UK that is benefitting from Brexit is Northern Ireland because it's still in the Single Market.
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Massive shortage of drivers here
Bloody Brexit
Does it's reach know no bounds
 
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Stroller said:
UK’s Brexit losses more than 178 times bigger than trade deal gains (msn.com)
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It looks a very biased, one sided, Remainerish article. It seems to me to be obvious that new trade agreements will, for the time being, largely replicate EU treaties. We cannot reinvent the wheel but we make greater changes as years go on.

I'm entirely happy that we are looking to the burgeoning market in Asia rather than the shrinking market in Europe. We need to buy more from Asia and less from the EU imo. And remember that trade actually forms only a small part of our GDP. Financial services are, from memory, over 80% and I haven't seen Paris or Frankfurt driving their tanks onto our lawn.
 
Willhoops said:
Id be interested to hear the source of this sky reporter, I’ve looked on the sky website and they make no mention of social services being concerned over being accused of any sort of discrimination. Just sounds like excuses and a false distraction.

As you say hopefully the inquest will make the failings clear. I suspect the ever increasing workload and lack of qualified social workers will be a factor, among others.
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Five complaints in 8 months were ignored, not just be social workers but by doctors. There's a lot of explaining to do.

And as a general comment, if you ask me whether there is a culture of fear among "professionals" relating to racial issues, there is. And it was seen clearly during all the Asian ****phile investigations around Rotherham etc.
 
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kiwiqpr said:
Truck driver's which always comes up as an example not really one of them
There's a worldwide shortage
It's pushed up drivers wages here
Not before bloody time
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Yeah there’s a worldwide shortage. A pretty stupid time to make it more difficult to recruit people.
 
I think people look and judge brexit and its effects by their own personal circumstances. I for one never had an issue prior to the referendum, nothing truly effected me personally by being a member of the EU. Since we have left, just about everything in the cost of living has risen, ive also lost my freedom of movement within the EU, which now at 44 years old doesnt bother me as much as it would have done if it happened 20 years ago. Also lost my free EHC card which was a big thing, more so for my wife. Now obviously we have had a pandemic which has effected everyone around the world so the promises of cheaper foods and clothes after brexit may have been compromised. Has covid disguised the effects of brexit or been the cause of household rises, i dont know, only time will tell. Unfortunately, according to the brexiteers, i wont be alive to see the benefits of brexit, so is it worth it to me? Is it **** is the answer.
 
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