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  1. Buckyohare

    Buckyohare Well-Known Member

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    Just read the match reports and watched some footage. Our poorest performance so far.

    what did u guys make of some fans turning nasty towards the team at the end?

    there’s not much love or connection between fans with these players yet and it’s hard to know how that might happen if the relationship is getting poisoned?

    but they just didn’t turn up did they…

    Despite the logic of assembling a strong spine and with 4 players that have won promotion before they just seem like a group of individuals not a team. Is that fair to say?
     
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  2. Southcoastoldgaffer

    Southcoastoldgaffer Well-Known Member

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    If I was attending the next Gamechangers Board meeting I can hear them saying "What the f..k, we spent $m's on that crap?"!
     
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  3. Southcoastoldgaffer

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    Just one of McGs idiot 1st game change was to break up arguably the best partnership Donacien & Aluko. Both had miserable nights. The only period they played with any passion, skill as a team, was first 5 mins.

    Not a single shot on goal.

    Who is gonna want to come and sort out this ramshackle bunch out before January?
     
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  4. itfcptc

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    I went to the game and it was awful.

    Its clear to me what we've been fed the past few days is bull, either that or our Board/Ashton are very naive...there is no way changing our manager at that point will make it more likely for promotion this season, we're back to square one. There has blatantly been a fall out behind the scenes between Ashton and Cook.

    I was speaking to some Charlton fans about our current situation and they agreed there's no way a CEO should be as front and centre and speaking how he does, it undermines the manager.

    It's great after what we've had before to have backroom staff who understand football but there's a reason why they're called backroom and for all the talent Ashton clearly has he needs to understand that
     
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  5. Nuggets

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    I watched this with some mates last night on iFollow and we mostly ignored the match for the last 20 odd minutes - what a waste of money and time. We were completely out-played, out-thought, and this should have been a thrashing. A really low moment for the season. There were a lot of similarities with our collapse against Rotherham, although the match last night was particularly notable for just the sheer apathy from the players on the pitch. Unsurprisingly, they haven't taken Cook's departure well - and why would they when most had previously played for him - but Jesus wept, at least try when you're on the pitch! I thought Morsy was going to be the charismatic leader on the pitch? He's been going through the motions for weeks. I wouldn't be surprised if he's talking to his agent to get him out of this club in January.

    I get a distinct impression that things can get much worse for us. Why does this feel worse than the Lambert years? I guess back then, under Evans, we didn't really have hope or enthusiasm. The new owners, bigger investment, and positive PR built up expectations for this season and beyond. We're now nine points off play offs, having played a game more, and I just cannot see how we're getting promoted this season. We allowed Cook to rip out the old squad - yes, they were mostly poor, but we jettisoned 20 players! - and brought in a whole new squad and coaching staff. It just hasn't clicked properly. We're in transition and now we're going through transition again having to find a new set of coaches and, possibly, even more turnover in the playing squad. While this is happening, the in-form clubs are peeling away from us.

    We need to get a manager in through the door as soon as possible. Why on earth has the club not already lined up a replacement or started talks? I thought this lot had a plan and knew how to run a club? Why are we sticking with a 4-2-3-1 that isn't working? Why have we only scored six times in the last nine matches? We've gone from a leaky defence and a top-scoring attack to a porous defence and a blunt attack over the last month. Never thought I'd say it, but I'm prepared to hold my nose and welcome somebody like Warnock. Give him a six or eighteen month contract, with the ultimate objective to just get promoted from this division, and let him go. Seems like we need to go down this grizzled veteran route because I can't imagine throwing someone like a Manning, an Appleton, an Emma Hayes into this club and expect them to make silk from a sow's ear. Warnock just seems to fit the bill.
     
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  6. Redprintt

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    You poor sods, we warned you about Ashton.
    He creates chaos. We had 65 signings in 4 seasons and you've had umpteen already.
    All the time it's somebody else's fault hidden behind his false corporate speak bullshit.

    Ps loook at our squad now - left having to play kids and Pearson's hand me downs from Leicester.
     
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  7. Evesham

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    just watched the scenes at the end with our fans confronting the players, awful !!
     
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  8. fieldmarshall

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    Im beginning to think weve been had, we get a deadbeat manager who followed another deadbeat and proceeds to get rid of an entire squad, ok there wasnt a lot worth keeping and the end of last seasons results were dreadful.
    I never understood the euphoria surrounding Cooks arrival except that Lambert was gone also the players he brought in most of whom i had never heard of, so the new seasons results were as awful as usual because the team needed time " to gel " and eventually for a brief period results did improve but not for long, it seems to me some of the players brought in were old mates of Cook looking for a rest home, if the prospect of being paid thousands of pounds a week doesnt motivate players what will ?
    We need a ruthless new manager who will clear out the deadwood and introduce a new regime to get these players operating at the level required, its only the third division for Christs sake.
    Lots of names being bandied about for the new manager but whoever it is has a huge task on his plate to turn things around, thats why i think it should be an experienced person who knows who is giving 100% and who isnt and needs to go, i dont envy the task in front of him.
     
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  9. Nuggets

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    Showing anger and chanting 'you're not fit to wear the shirt' is perfectly understandable considering the money, time, and effort our supporters show. If I travelled to Charlton and was subjected to that limp performance, I'd be annoyed too. But the idiot that went on the pitch to push Walton needs to be banned for life. Definitely a poisonous atmosphere - once again - as our existence as a mid-table division three side persists.

    I wonder if the Americans are having second thoughts about coming to the Sunderland home match? It's not hard to imagine a defeat at Wigan and suffering an FA Cup exit to Barrow on national television before that match. Regardless of the new manager, the mood will be subdued.
     
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  10. Southcoastoldgaffer

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    I agree with most of the reactions. It is indeed going to take a gnarled old pro to sort this lot out.

    What is so shocking that for periods this season, after the awful start, we have really looked like a team that bought excitement, flair, talent, with Morsy bossing things midfield and hatfuls of goals. Inept management and chop and change and poor decisions resulted in a very poor spell, culminating in the surprise demise of PC departing.

    I wonder if he was savouring his night cap of whisky last night!

    Let's bring in a Warnock as soon as possible and try to rescue what's left of this rabble.

    Talk of promotion now is sadly pie in the sky. I suspect Nuggets is right, several players are thinking do I want be here in 12 months time, 6 months even?

    This has to be one of the saddest periods that I have been a 60 years long(suffering) supporter of Town.
     
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  11. Southcoastoldgaffer

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    I hear that Lampard & Terry are being touted. Serious big names which would earn respect from players and fans. I think if Ashton is going to rescue this shambles and his own neck, he will go for a celeb big name manager like Lampard. Someone that can make a massive differene, lift our spirits and keep the players onside, as well attract new blood.

    But the obvious Q is why on earth would he come to Ipswich? It wouldn't be just the money either.
     
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  12. fieldmarshall

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    Maybe because Lampard isnt exactly getting inundated with offers is he, after a spell at big spending Derby without winning anything he then went to off the scale spending Chelsea and didnt last very long, having said all that i would welcome a Lampard / Terry team at least you know the defence would be sorted out.
     
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  13. Nuggets

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    I know Ashton's stock isn't particularly high at the moment (I mean, why on earth would you sack a manager without a replacement lined up?) but I feel the criticism of him - while at Ipswich - is being a bit overblown by some of our supporters.

    I obviously don't know your club as well as you, Redprintt, but the previous impression I had of Bristol City - no disrespect intended - was that you were seen as a lower-league club for most of your history, until recently, and that you haven't played top flight football for over 40 years. Now I know you have funding from a generous, forward-thinking, and passionate owner, but was Mark Ashton really that destructive for you? Yeah, the player turnover looks high. And yes, he does come out with the hilarious business jargon speak that rich owners seem to love. However, during Ashton's time, my (envious) impression of Bristol City was that you were a well-run club side, consistently competing in and around the play off spots. Surely he deserves some credit for that? Or was that all achieved despite of him?

    At Ipswich, we're not used to a CEO playing an active role in the running of the club. We've had years of being ignored and getting the silent treatment from Marcus Evans and his rotating array of yes men 'CEOs'. Ashton has only been here several months, and yet he's a lot more open and communicative with the supporters. He's managed to convince several Championship-level players to drop down a level to play for us. The stadium and club facilities look a lot better than they have for years, of which Ashton has helped drive this. He definitely seems to care, which is more than we can say for previous CEOs like Milne and Clegg. Ashton had a challenge of overhauling this club, which was effectively under managed decline by Evans for years. We were run terribly, ask any Ipswich fan on here. I dread to think of the challenges Ashton and the owners have had to resolve. So yeah, I think elements of our fanbase - and people on TWTD (who generally love a good moan when they're not stroking their own egos) - are targeting him because there isn't really anyone else to criticise.
     
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  14. Redprintt

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    Fair play Nuggets for your considered reply and no worry you are correct in 'was that you were seen as a lower-league club for most of your history', and most of us think we always will be.
    The 'jargon speak' will surface for some while yet but be aware he'll go missing for long periods when it suits him.
    'Yeah, the player turnover looks high' is a huge understatement, especially for City. The result of 65 signings and many departures in the 4 seasons he was here has left us with a squad hugely lacking in Championship quality.
    Only 4 of his and Lee Johnson's '65' now make the current starting 11.
    We play kids and pros on the way down from Leicester while we have numerous Ashton signings earning £25k a week not even making the bench.
    A terrible admission but I backed City to be relegated this season knowing the strength of the squad left by Ashton and Johnson.
    Because of Grandad duties I have only watched us 6 times this season and each game I promise you we were incredibly lucky to lose only once.
    Fingers are crossed that 21 point deducted Derby, Peterborough and Barnsley might keep us up.

    I wish ITFC the very best but please take a huge pinch of salt with anything that emanates from Mark Ashton
     
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  15. Nuggets

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    Thanks for the additional information - and interesting to note that Ashton may go quiet if the poor form continues. I certainly will take Ashton's words with a lorry load of salt, we've been stung by chancers too many times at Portman Road, which maybe helps explain the recent distrust in Ashton. I'm just judging him on his actions so far at the club and, in my opinion, he definitely hasn't been the problem this season (yet, anyways).

    Sounds like bad times for Bristol City, hopefully Nigel Pearson can get you punching above your weight. As difficult as the Championship is traditionally viewed as being recently - you can often bank on a couple of really rubbish teams that become obvious by this stage of the season (think Ipswich back in 2018/19!) As you say, with Derby's points deduction and the wretched form for Barnsley and Peterborough (keep an eye on Reading too), you should be safe for this season at least!

    Best of luck to Bristol City - lovely area, generally lovely people (from my experience), and well overdue a promotion to the Premier League!
     
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  16. Buckyohare

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    Our main issues lie in the playing and coaching rather than MA. For how. As Nuggets says he’s done a lot in a very short space of time and all the big signings we’re cooks; lots we’re his ex players so had to be.

    in terms of charlron game : JM made two weird decisions:

    1) he played a formation the players are clearly struggling with. I had hoped he’d go for a steady 3 at the back but not only 4231 but also:

    2) he decided to experiment with players in other positions and leaving key men like Chaplin out. JD at Left back? Cmon. Now is really not the time to try this kinda thing.

    but overall they clearly just feel deflated and rudderless without cool and JM as interim.
     
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    With the players available at present, I think the best formation for us is 3-5-2. Walton, donacian, Edmundson & either Burgess or Nsiala as the 3cbs. KVY & Penny (not ideal but no one else at present) as the wing backs. Morsy, Carroll and Chaplin as cms with Bonne & Piggott (or Aluko). Fraser and Evans are the 2 that I don’t think have done enough to be in the 1st 11 despite multiple chances. On a different note, with a sell out or close to it for the Sunderland game, I’m really worried what the atmosphere will be like in the stadium if Sunderland score 1st. Think it could get quite nasty. Hopefully the club will have extra stewards / police in place for the game
     
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  18. San Diego

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    I'd rather have Idris in that midfield than Chaplin. Think Chaplin should play up top or just behind. Burns for KVY too.
     
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  19. YorkieLancsHampyLondoner

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    I would go along with this. I reckon Bonne and Chaplin would enjoy the striking roles with more attacking midfielders supplying them.

    It works both ways for the suppliers to have the confidence that if they do put the effort in there are bodies on the end of supply.
     
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    There was definitely a change in mood yesterday. Think that there wasn't a huge clamouring for Cook to leave unlike pretty much all of our previous managers going back to Royle and we were told the change was made so we could keep the promotion dream alive then 2 days later we pretty much see that dream go and the realisation hit that we are probably going to have another season in this division but not only that the squad we've just assembled is likely to be changed alot again, so feels like we're starting from square 1 again, what a waste of a season.
     
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