A few people who have seen more games than I have are saying that LD is one of our best players - he played with SD and had him as his captain. Could it be that he's one of those who was a better motivator on the pitch than he is off it? In terms of motivation on the pitch, would Tiny make a better captain than JE once he's fit again?
Interesting point Barry as both Tiny and JE are a yard off the pace they were at last season ! If the captaincy was to change I think I would give the armband to Mappy!
Roo- many teams can go on runs where they get zero points from a number of games so we could certainly get less - although I think we are all agreed that 0.8 of a point per game is not good enough to stay up. Surely the point is about jumping from the frying pan into the fire. We have no money. So how do we compensate Dyche if we sack him, how do we pay a better salary for a "better" manager", who can guarantee that a new manager would produce better results with this same squad of players and if we wouldn't then where does te money come from to buy new ones? I never thought the appointment of MM or Dyche was correct when we appointed them - especially Mackay as at that time we had £500k compensation for the loss of Rodgers which would have enabled us to "buy" the best manager we could afford. Instead we have gone down the home grown "cheap" route. To use another metaphor you cannot keep switching horses. We made our choice and should give SD time to get it right I suspect he is an honourable man and if he feels he cannot do the job he will resign and if he does that we would accept it - in those circumstances he might be able to step down into an assistant's position again to keep some continuity for us. However that choice for the moment should be his.
Found this post on another forum to me makes a lot of sense! Good Morning. I have sympathy with those arguing for Dyche to stay because, looking at the bigger picture, it is still very, very early in a manager's reign. Managers can recover from bad starts..for example, Graham Taylor lost his first 8 matches as a manager I believe at Lincoln. I also happen to believe that Dyche will be given more time. GT, having been a manager himself and having been quoted saying managers need 3 years etc, will surely not be in favour of a sacking so soon and neither will the owner who will immediately lose any credibility he had in the first place. You can argue that one! HOWEVER... Personally, I believe we do need a change and sooner rather than later. We were wrong to continue our tried and tested route of blooding a new manager. True, it worked well before with Aidy and Malkay and to a limited extent BR. But, and this for me is the crucial point, we were in decline in the summer..a run of just 4 wins in 21 games and our best players leaving. We needed to get away from the lazy and easy option of giving the job to our Number 2 and get out there and bring in somebody with more experience. We needed sorting out back then and an inexperienced manager was not the right move. It's very hard when you've just lost a game (or 4 in a row) to stand back, be objective and try and see the bigger picture. And last night I tried. But I can't. I just cannot see this team improving under this manager. Style of play is terrible. We rarely score goals. (how ironic our first one in 4 matches came from an opposing player). We cannot defend. Neither Malkay nor Dyche seem to have given our defence enough attention over the last couple of years..we've signed so many defensive midfielders and wingers but hardly any strengthening of the back 4 or keeper situation. On the day we actually look more menacing in attack for once, we go and conceed 3 soft goals ourselves. The much vaunted Watford Youth isn't being given a chance. Dyche's striker signings have scored 1 goal between them all season. He spends money to bring in two of them, then says he wants another forward. Both his wingers have already been dropped. Both our keepers have been dropped. The whole thing is a muddle. Statistically its been our worse start to a season in the Championship for over 10 years. And while Bristol City get set for life under McInnes, Portsmouth get ready for OGS, Forest have Coterill revitalising them, we just limp on from defeat to defeat. And the gap to those above us grows bigger by the week. It would take a very brave Chairman to admit they made a mistake and take action. Outsiders would no doubt berate us for only giving a manager 15 or so matches. It would actually go against my principals too because I've always believed clubs who chop and change alot never really go forward. Maybe even a new manager couldn't do much better (I'm in the Karl Robinson camp myself though I doubt he'd want the job!) But I sit here looking at the league table, watching the style of play of the club I love, watching attendances fall, watching other clubs in the division change manager and get an instant kick and watching supporters on this forum and others post messages of doom and gloom (or argue with those who still back Dyche) and the whole thing is just so incredibly sad. It's our club, we love it and it feels like it's dying. Dyche hasn't worked. Either publically back him and give him more time. Or do the decent thing that more and more of us appear to want..show him the door, carry out a proper recruitment this time and find us a more experienced guy who can get far better out of our squad and put bums on seats once more.
Whilst I favour stability over all else at a football club, I am beginning to worry and I am beginning to edge towards Norway's view. If we do not start winning games in the next few weeks, I don't believe we have any other option but to appoint a new manager. Our next game will be pivotal, lose at home to Posh and I fear it will be the end.
Whilst whoever wrote the above well reasoned piece has presented a clear coherent argument they still fail to address the most important question. It would be easy to sack Dyche but WHAT THEN? Bristol City, Forest etc do not appear to have our financial constraints. Unless we had a benefactor who could throw serious money behind us then any replacement is likely to struggle - what happens 12 games into the next manager's reign when he has got just 8 points - sack him too? Give Dyche a chance
Agreed W-y at the very least we need to Sean some experienced help! There are rumours of a couple of loanees next week , I would suggest that if we are going to up the wage bill then a Burkinshaw style figure is a bigger need!
Norway, I entirely agree with that contribution. A very thorough summary of all the reasons why I think the more time we give Dyche the more dire our outlook will become.
Wouldnt call woan experienced in management either mate! We let him bring in his mate , with hindsight having GT appoint him a more experienced mentor might have been wiser !
Mapps is a good captain..when we were struggling a bit last season, we won the games he captained...i think that was either last season or the season before...good call.
Quite right. This whole argument is really frustrating me! I don't understand how anyone could opt for a situation which could see us worse off when we're only 14 games in, and have a new Manager and 11 new players. Bonkers!
it's not...so imagine if sacking SD made it worse, which i firmly believe it will. What hymn sheet will you be singing from then?
Getting repetitive I know but the one that wants an experienced Gaffer to dig us out of a hole or at the very least someone experienced to help Sean dig us out of a hole! any road up change is required !or we can drift aimlessy and meander to relegation saying well at least we were loyal! H crowds are going down ,people are becoming disillusioned this is a trend that needs to be stabilized!
I am really wondering how people think that a change in manager is a certain way to change things about. We have had the managers that we have had recently because there is no money. What experienced manager is going to come knocking at the door when he knows that he will have nothing to spend. The only ones that I can imagine are the ones who have already failed and are doing the rounds every time a post is made vacant. So SD is asked to leave when he is just into a three year contract. What amount of compensation would that be? Don't forget either that the club has to find another £2-3m at the end of the season to pay back to LA. It would seem that the Red Lion work is underway and there have been promises on the SW corner. All fairly large sums to clear. The idea that each year we will have a player to sell worth £2 is hopeful but by no means certain. We also have the PL doing their bit to blackmail FL clubs into accepting peanuts for talented youngsters. Taking all of these financial factors into account tells me that we are still in a bit of a mess and this is not the time to start throwing money at some notion of what might work but is not a certainty.
The idea that each year we will have a player to sell worth £2 is hopeful but by no means certain I'm sorry OFH but I think £2 IS certain
Thank you Leo for correcting my error. I will not edit it otherwise others will wonder what you were talking about.
