Game Over For Ole

There are plusses and minuses to Erik ten Hag. He was a slow starter at Ajax and needs time to build a team (which improves every year despite the yearly exodus of players they get at Ajax) - he's no quick fix merchant. Whilst Ajax would be reluctant to let him go - with Van der Saar as their CEO they are not going to go to war over it. Also the prospect of a cross town rivalry with Guardiola would be attractive to him having worked with him for 2 years at Bayern. For him team spirit is everything and there are no inflated egos at Ajax. He is also used to being at a club which has the best youth academy in Europe - and will spend as much time watching the under 14s, under 16s etc. as he will watching the first team - that would be very different to what his role would be in the Premiership. Also he has never worked with the types of ego of players like Ronaldo, or with established World class players. He would know how to use van der Beek however (who was your best player against us). If you're looking for a manager who is available then I'm rather surprised the name of Jogi Löw has not come up - he's available and still has a lot to offer. Zidane has no connection to England and doesn't appear over enthusiastic about changing that.

 

Yes but the club apparently gave him permission to negotiate. What if they had refused?

 

I actually second this. Although I would celebrate Poch coming in, I don’t know if he is the absolute fit as people make it out. I think the first thing that this team needs is an absolute first hand coach with a clear vision. I don’t know if Poch is that guy given the rot that we are in. He would have been better fit 2 years ago. We need something that is methodical in their approach and takes no sht.

But then again, any top manager will do far better job with the talent in the team.

 

I really hope that the club would bring in a proven coach and a builder as opposed to a quick fix superstar.

 

Fair point, not sure in that case.

You know there's talk now of Zidane going to PSG if Poch wants to come to us.

Poch apparently is unhappy at PSG, unhappy that he's unable to instill his style of football, unhappy with transfers, and keen on wanting to come to us having missed out on the job before.

 

I heard that too.

it could work out for all 4 parties.
- PSG get their man who has a proven record on CL trophies, their ultimate priority. They can’t be bothered about their own league which is uncompetitive anyway.
- Zidane wants to manage in France. He’s got a team of superstars with a great chance of CL success.
- Poch is unhappy there with lack of control. He’s constantly being criticised and can be sacked instantly like Tuchel was.
- Utd gets Poch their ultimate target and no need for this interim and permanent madness.

Utd and PSG should get together and sort it out.

 

How has it drastically changed since last season? I don't watch United games all the time but the limited time I have seen them this season, I see nothing from Ronaldo in terms of build up. Again, I could be completely wrong but just my opinion based on limited viewing time.

I remember when you lot would get so many penalties and that was a big part of your attack. Are you not making those runs into the box anymore?

Or were you simply overperforming over the past few years?

 

Well we weren't exactly brilliant last season.

We won nothing for a start, and finished a distant second. If the whole formation had changed to accommodate Ronaldo I'd agree with you, but it hasn't. It's the same formation with Ronaldo added is all. If anything, he's replaced Martial, who is far from integral to anything we do. And perhaps he's prevented Sancho getting in the team but he wasn't here last season anyway.

Our problems are persisting with 4 2 3 1 and McFred, Ronaldo is irrelevant to that. One of McFred is keeping DVDB out of the side, Ronaldo is irrelevant to that.

Sancho should be playing on the right side, Ronaldo hasn't once played there so he's not preventing that either.

If we play Sancho in his correct position, and Rashford in his correct position, on the right and left, Ronaldo still plays through the middle, so he's not the problem there either.

As for tracking back, if he's playing at No.9, then is that really a problem anyway? No, it isn't.

I wouldn't expect the centre forward to be back in defence pressing anyway, you always need an outball of someone further up the pitch, he's that.

We've got loads of problems, Ronaldo isn't one of them. You've been listening to too much talk sport.

 

I also think this bollox about Ronaldo not putting a shift in or not tracking back as, well, exactly that, bollox. In several games he's covered more territory than any of our other players. It's such a lazy but easy accusation to throw at him.

 

Maybe they want him to play as a fullback. Only a moron would suggest that Ronaldo is the problem at United. Where was he when we lost the last few seasons in all competitions? I guess that past is definitely his fault as well.

A player scores 9 goals for a club in 13 games and they still label him a problem. Lazy fks are bad at thinking!

 

Is that how you read it? You must be one of Man Utd's foreign fans.

 

Enough of this miserable ****e on the telly.

WTF is this mea culpa crap the players and staff are coming out with.

Carrick and Maguire press conference was like fcking wake. You got a match tomorrow, behave like men ffs.

Imagine Fergie coming out with that bollox. Move on and sound like you mean business

 

Strange post. What has being foreign got to do with what you posted?

Don't go fcking weird Ern

 

One of the legacies of Ole’s managerial reign is the softness and sentimentality at the club. The deed is done. Let’s reboot and move on. We now have to win matches. By hook or by crook. We’ve become soft everywhere. The club on line site, the players, the interim caretaker, the midfield, the defenders. Is there anybody at the club focussed on their job? Is the purpose of the club to win football matches or for everyone to be nice to each other and to wallow in self pity?

Ole is still a legend at the club. He is probably relieved at not having the headaches and the criticisms anymore. He’s failed at the managerial game. He won’t I suspect need to go cap in hand to the managers union for financial help. An opportunity for all the fans to get a new vision and we should be excited (if slightly anxious) for the future. Listening to some it’s like the announcement of Diana’s demise 20 years ago! The club the staff and the players (and fans) should get a grip!

 

I think they honestly believe that we want to listen to them saying how sorry they are and how they are all to blame. There's not a single United fan I know who wants to listen to that ****e. It means nowt.

I think they've employed some online PR prick and it's spreading to all media content including press conferences and interviews. We don't want to hear it.

All fans want is for you to go out and put in performances every day like you're grateful you play for MUFC. Do your talking on the pitch.

 

He is a tad racist just look at he's posting history lol

 

Talking of "foreign", i have seen quite a few saying we can't have Zidane because he doesn't speak English
Where do these people crawl out from? In reality how many players in every PL squad have English as their first language, how many can't speak English at all.

With multi-national squads the language of a manager or player should no longer be a problem and if it is there are people called "translators" these days

 

oooofffftttt...

 

I said it when he was at spurs and won't go back on it now, i have deep doubts about Poch with no real foundation, just a feeling he is not good enough.

 

Do you think he will instill a tough, disciplined ethos in the dressing room?

If he can do that, I think the rest will follow.