Off Topic Warm Glow- Since 2014- now like Milan- Mackem Free

To be fair I wouldn't even know how to find threads for a League One club...

 

I think they're somewhere below the over 65's walking football league.

 

These numbers prove your wrong CC - £80m+ better forward line and the stats are no better. Ok 12 more goals over the time (not considering the extra 5 games at call it an average of 1 a game so its really 7 goals) but for £80million that's not good enough.

Then you look at the defensive numbers and it clearly shows Bruce butchered that defense:
200 less tackles
300 less interceptions
500 less clearences
So in "the same games" - we've managed 1000 - One THOUSAND - less defensive actions...

Then consider we managed 6000 - SIX THOUSAND less passes in that time than under Rafa as well...

How anyone could put those stats out and try and claim Bruce was better/as good is a bit wild mate.

 

The numbers don't lie mate so they cannot be wrong.

What you're looking at is the different circumstances which I agree shed a different light on things, however it opens up several other cans of worms.

If you're comparing the performances of the teams Bruce arguably did better that's all I'm saying

 

they miss that point completely. More mags are banned than aren’t so it stands to reason only a handful of us can post there.

 

See I don't need to look at all that stats bollocks. I watched it all with my eyes. We were **** under Rafa. We were **** under Bruce. I'd say we were marginally less **** under Rafa overall because we at least had a plan, regardless how negatively **** it was.

One thing for sure I enjoyed that game on Saturday way more than nearly all since Pardew. We actually had possession! We actually got bodies forward. It was like actual positive football again. Rafa nor Bruce ever arsed themselves to try and deliver that. Good ****ing riddance.

 

I mean I'm literally quoting the numbers you've posted bro? The circumstances (players arriving up top) are relevant because it's like asking someone to dig a well with a spade and another with a stick.

The performances? I mean that's not stat based that's a matter of opinion and clearly to anyone Bruce's performances were no way near Rafa's performances, no way near as well drilled, no way near as "entertaining" which is a stretch for either of the two managers to be fair but the graft and effort put in (summed up in the clip when we went through 7/8/9 thumping tackles) was far superior under Rafa.

There is no argument to be had when you take everything into account, money spent, football played, media handling, and the stats. I mean nearly everyone of the players has commented how much they have enjoyed Howe's new training regime and philosophy (doubt Bruce could spell the word let alone implement one on a squad of players). It can't be a coincidence that under Howe we have managed in one game to out do the last three years of Bruce in terms of attacking play.

 

Abso-****ing-lutely this! Even having just watched the highlights I was hugely impressed at the structure, the style of play, the intent, everything has basically improved over two weeks.

If Howe can work us away from 3 at the back (although he's shown it can be a useful formation when not playing it as 5-4-0-0-0-1) and get another attacker/midfielder in there I think we'll be on the right course!

 

I watched Man City v Everton on Sunday
Everton looked just like the Toon, parking the bus for 70mins

the commentator said it was good game management
Had it been the Toon playing this system it would have been classed as Parking the Bus

your right watching it live is much better
although I did get that nervous feeling again from 85mins on

 

Yes those stats?

 

They're conclusive and we can't argue with them.

We can discuss other variables but like I say in terms of results bruce did aswel there's no getting away from it.

All other debates really are open to all kinds of other variables but ultimately numbers don't lie

 

Absolutely, so the numbers (again):
200 less tackles
300 less interceptions
500 less clearances
Totaling
1000 - One THOUSAND - less defensive actions
&
6000 - SIX THOUSAND less passes under Bruce

I'd also say the £80m forwards line is not a variable.

 

They're all irrelevant stats and don't alter the stats provided/compared


The money is a seperate argument as I've said it's another variable and opens up other arguments never presented in the table provided.

For example all the other clubs spend money too and the seasons are not the same sides vs the same sides.

The numbers in the table don't lie they're comparing results 1st and foremost because it's the results game regardless of all other variables.

 

I felt huge relief more than anything else. I was sitting before the game thinking, "Is this another false dawn? Can you really change a teams mentality in two week?". Within 15mins I could see we had a plan, an attacking one, and I felt relaxed watching footy again.

 

We can by all means argue other areas though?

Bruce had more money and left the club in a worse position than when he took over.

There's no doubt in that.

 

The money thing is largely irrelevant when comparing managers too. The managers don't really pick the players anymore. They do carry the can for the scouting team obviously. However if your scouting team is involved in 20m of signing under one manager, then 80m under the next, that doesn't necessarily mean you have 60m more useful talent. It depends who they bought.

Joelinton, he wasn't anywhere near a Bruce signing too. It was all done before he arrived. In fairness to Bruce he was told we'd signed a brazilian for 40m who was gonna be a No.9. So Bruce has trusted them. Only to find he wasn't worth 40m, he wasn't a striker, and the whole thing hadn't been thought through.

The number of variables when trying to compare managers is huge. Most managerial comparisons are therefore worthless.

All I know is Eddie actively set out to entertain, score goals and win. Bruce and Rafa didn't. Both were disingenuous about that claiming they were attacking managers. In one game, Howe has shown them to be massive liars.

 

The fans made it up as they went along with Bruce.

They loved the stats like win % but didn't like the stat that said 12th overall.

The guy was a crap manager but he got results to match rafa for 2 full seasons.. Simple as that really

 

I've posted a reply on here which you seem to have missed...

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just left it there for them - time for some popcorn I reckon .....

Bit sick that like, just like your new owners. You are aware of your former coach being jailed for 20 years?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56243610

Victims of *****phile football coach in legal action against Newcastle United.

"Newcastle United are facing several civil claims regarding the behaviour of former employee George Ormond ....
.... who in 2018 received a 20-year jail sentence for multiple cases of sexual abuse."

Thomas Beale, of lawyers Bolt Burdon Kemp, added: "Newcastle have had every opportunity to apologise for the terrible abuse perpetrated by Ormond and accept responsibility for what happened while he was at the club.

 

Nobody cares about world politics or Adam Johnson mate.

This is about football