Game Over For Ole

Only for a few games with any look

He will probably have SAF give him so advice

 

Ole had that as well. I don’t think simply having Sir Alex as an advisor is going to change anything. I bet Carrick starts with the same set of players and same system.

The board allowed the team to rot before making this change. Now I’m afraid that regardless of who comes in, the spirit of this team is already broken beyond fast repair. It’s actually a sad situation and dereliction of duty across the club.

 

The club like most of the fans wanted Ole to succeed. But we are not living in a fairy tale. The club must have some hard nosed people who can things as it is. Once you are humiliated 5-0 by your deadliest rivals, someone high up should have realised that the writing was on the wall. Most fans realised that. Why not the club hierarchy? Even after the 2-0 humiliation by City, they still wished Ole to rectify things. A draw at Watford would have saved him but the players made it easy for the club,

ive said many times that Ole deserved to go but the players performance has been a disgrace. How do you get yourself paid such enormous amounts and yet not play as a professional should despite your reservations about the manager? Shameful and if there had been any doubt about the players not giving their all the Watford match was it. Even Fernandes himself went out of his way to say that players should take responsibility not just the manager.

 

Dude, I don’t think the players can just turn it on and off at will. They are all at this point psychologically broken whenever they come together as a team. That environment invokes a negative response from them.

Ole should have been gone long before that Liverpool match. Heck, many here on this board persisted with him remaining even when the signs were clear seven matches into the season. Most neutral fans knew that we would get rolled over by Liverpool. However, we, United fans were still hopeful. But I don’t think anyone could have predicted the complete destruction which in my opinion completely destroyed the team spirit or whatever was left of it. Ole was completely dead that very day yet the board allowed him to continue to walk.

At this point in time, I don’t think starting the next game with the same players is ideal. The fringe players need to come in because I think they will be in better psychological state to make an immediate impact.

In my option, Ole is firmly to blame for this team reaching absolute rock bottom. He should have relieved himself of his duties after that Liverpool game even if the board had no balls to show him the door. He knew he had nothing left but kept talking which makes him as much of a self serving villain in this chapter. And the Club board? Well, what’s there to say other than the fact that they are bunch of fkin knts! The players are actually victims of the horrible environment that they’ve had to operate in.

 

I only agree with your points to a certain degree. But there are ways for players to behave. They have to show pride in the club and in their job. Whatever the faults of the manager or the club, I will not absolve the players from some responsibility. Ole had to go but the players didn’t help him whatsoever.

Not least Maguire. He has been appalling since the Euros. He’s been ****, he’s made silly mistakes resulting in goals, he’s shown no leadership and he’s got himself sent off when we needed to come back. Totally ****.

 

I have to agree with you that the very least that we should expect from the set of players that we have is certainly not what we got. The fans completely got undercut by the players here regardless of the role of the manager and the board.

It’s all very unfortunate because as I try to think of the root cause, it always seem to bring me back to Ole for persisting with the same bunch of idiots week after week. I said few weeks ago that AWB and Shaw had regressed so much that they shouldn’t be starting games. Add to the fact that Maguire was starting games when unfit. And the Donny’s situation was like a sad TV soap opera. Lingard would have helped through those October months when Bruno stank. But Ole persisted with him nonetheless. Ole really failed at developing bunch of untouchables which ultimately definitely didn’t help his case. He didn’t use the strength in depth of the team to create competition because he was too stuck playing favouritism.

It must be said that no one wins at this juncture. It’s a colossal failure of leadership.

 

Keane’s description of some of the players as a disgrace is spot on IMO.

It shows how the club’s hierarchy is so naive and inexperienced that they barely had a grasp of what was happening. For me the stirrings of a dressing room/player unity problem was against Leicester. But by the RS match after a 5-0, anyone with any football knowledge will have realised that his position was untenable. Then to persist even after the city debacle shows how out of touch with reality the people running the club are. When a manager loses a dressing room he has to be replaced immediately. There is simply no way back . It needed a 4-1 defeat to Watford to force them to act. I hope some of these players hang their heads in shame.

 

Yeah right! Wait until the next set of new contracts are handed out are like Christmas gifts.

In Woodward we trust!

 

On the players, I think the fractured dressing room has come about from players watching others not performing and still being automatic names on the team sheet and those not playing getting fcked off at why they're not getting a game.

As the performances and results got worse, the spirit and general feelings towards each other in the squad probably fell further and further apart.

Coupled with a leadership not strong enough to deal with it, it just allowed the players/squad to drift.

That's the players. But none of it matters unless we get a strong, postive manager in asap.

Talk is that we have Carritcher for a few games, then an interim manager until the end of the season, then bring in a permanent manager. Sounds fcking stupid to me. Fcking bollox tbh. All bcos these ****s had no forward planning.

 

You perfectly laid out what I think is the most logical root cause of the problems.

 

The thing is, it's immaterial without a manager. None of it will get dealt with until:

1) we have strong leadership.
2) we regain a footballing philosophy
3) we coach the players to play to a system
4) we pick the best players to play each game

And ALL that requires a fcking decent manager!

We got to stop naval gazing about petty bollox tbh.

 

Theres a glaziers out protest planned for dec 2nd guise.

In case you missed the other two

 

It doesn't sound stupid to me.

If they don't do this, it means they give the job to someone who is available, rather than the right person.

If Rangnick comes in and sees out the season, then in the meantime they can be recruiting the right person.

The right person is not the one who is suddenly available

Agree though that Carrick and Fletcher can't be in charge for too long.
In fact Carrick should have gone with Ole, as should Phelan.

Any decent experienced manager could steer that squad to 4th given the level of opposition. The top 3 are over the hill and gone, the rest are as average as we are.

Wenger for instance? (just chucking a name out there that isn't Bruce or Allardyce!) Although Rangnick sounds good to me.

 

Agree. The dressing looks really fractured atm. Would it have been much less if action had been taken 4-5 weeks ago? Realistically the earliest time would have been after the 5-0 shambles.

Going forward despite the weeks of uncertainty and people talking about new manager it is almost unreal nothing has been planned. We can only hope Carrick can instill some unity and repair some of the fracture. But since he did the training and the coaching not Ole are we hopeful? Btw I am still perplexed what Ole’s role exactly was at the club? If he didn’t do field work did he only do selections and substitutions?

whoever comes in must have credibility as a big club manager and have won titles.

 

I was happy to give it on an interim basis to someone who the club would've considered potential to be permanent. E.g. Zidane because then the squad have something potentially long term to look forward to.

Bringing in a temp though, whilst they may bring a better footballing philosophy and coaching, I'm not sure the squad will give their all knowing he'll be off at the end of the season.

Actually here's a thought... why not Zidane? If he wants the France job why not give him the job until the end of the season? It doesn't have to be made public but a break clause. And if the France job doesn't happen he may well stay on. But if he does leave you then bring in who you want in the summer.

I don't know enough about Rangnick but will take your word for it. If he's good enough then let's get him in.

Either way, like you say, Carrick and Phelan cannot be there for long.

 

It can't be Zidane as he'll only accept a five year contract, GF said so.

 

Poor GF, I reckon he's currently drowning under a bottle of JW Black Label.

 

This man is apparently one of the living pioneers of pressing football in Germany. Given how lazy and unfit our players are, I wouldn't mind a manager of his type to shake them to their core.

 

Cold light of Monday morning and I think that there is only one candidate, and that's Pochettino.

It does worry me that they'll employ Rodgers just because he'd be available. They should be asking Poch if he'll jump ship right now, slightest suggestion he will and they take that chance as **** knows who the interim would actually be really.