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  1. george dawes

    george dawes Active Member

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    I think you could be spot on with this. He looks to have lots of connections across Europe so would be a good person to have on board.
     
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  2. springtiger

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    No problem being professional managers in their own gender sport but I have doubts for the same in the men’s game. The physicality speed and strength and I would guess mindset is totally different. Bear in mind this has been developed at a high level for well over a hundred years. You cannot make all roles equal just to tick boxes.
     
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  3. Duke Silver

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    Cos Tennis is a birds game!
     
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  4. Duke Silver

    Duke Silver Well-Known Member

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    Corrected it for you.
    Can’t say “man” anymore.
    Thank me later
     
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  5. Sir Cheshire Ben

    Sir Cheshire Ben Well-Known Member

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    I agree with this but think what’s actually relevant is that, it’s imperative, opportunities, for all roles, are equal, in all circumstances,

    It’s nothing to do with the role, it’s everything to do with opportunity, equality & ending bigotry,
     
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  6. Gone For A Walk

    Gone For A Walk Well-Known Member

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    <deliberately bolded and underlined>
     
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  7. dennisboothstash

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    It isn’t an opinion though. It is a fact
     
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  8. Sir Cheshire Ben

    Sir Cheshire Ben Well-Known Member

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    Without an equal opportunity capability will always be perceived as unequal.

    For capability to be relevant opportunity & equality will need to be in place & bigotry eradicated.
     
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  9. balkan tiger

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    Well it would be if it were in big letters, FACT
     
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  10. dennisboothstash

    dennisboothstash Well-Known Member

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    What relevance is that reply?
    The point I made was that not all men would be better managers than all women.
    There will be a woman managing a professional men’s team at some level eventually and then gradually more women will and some will get to higher levels.
    It’s just natural if you really want the best person for the job you won’t achieve that by deliberately halving your candidate pool.
    No club will advertise for men only to apply, quite rightly, and eventually the best person for the job will be a woman
     
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  11. MingofHarlem78

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    Surely it can only be a fact when based on actual comparative measurements / statistics. We can use these to compare McCann to Ferguson for example. How many females have managed in League One and/ or the Championship?

    MoH
     
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  12. Chazz Rheinhold

    Chazz Rheinhold Well-Known Member

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    I’m being serious here but how will it work with a woman in the changing room and 16 blokes been bollocko??
     
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  13. springtiger

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    Agree with this but take a look at the BBC morning news line up , there will never be just two male presenters but there has been two females . The BBC for probably 70 years was male dominated and I totally support equality of opportunity , wages etc not a problem , but fear of choosing the wrong gender , race or deliberately choosing such is not equality . women have the same opportunity to apply for any job but the employer will take or should take account of a whole host of attributes skills , experience etc and in the case of highly physical sports at male level they will be lacking . Team games are not just based on tactics and organisation
     
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  14. Gone For A Walk

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    We probably don't fundamentally disagree with each other, but my angle was more about how from that then we see jobs or opportunities given simply because a box is ticked. Beyond that we see blatant positive discrimination; worse imo than inequality & discrimination (in fact it is those things but deliberately imposed) Capability should be primary, irrespective of gender, age, sex, race ..... (unless there really is a genuine constraint that must over-ride somehow, but even then if there was, that would be part of the 'capability to do the role' consideration anyway).
     
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  15. Chazz Rheinhold

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    Have you some examples of box ticking jobs been given?
     
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    Forest Green Rovers appointed a woman to be their academy manager, the first woman to be appointed in a managerial role at an English league club (there have actually been women first team managers in other European leagues). They've also said they'd be keen to have a woman managing the first team.
     
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  17. dennisboothstash

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    Aww
    How very magnanimous of you.

    who mentioned ticking boxes? (apart from you)
    Of course no football club would specify men only in a managers advert. Firstly they’d be acting illegally and secondly they’d be halving their candidate pool which is just bad business when you want to employ the best person.
    The best managers in the world are currently men, that will change over time and there will be women managing in English men’s professional leagues eventually, small numbers st first maybe more over time. If you’re still around then you’ll just have to live with it.

    If I went for a managerial job there would be loads of women who’d be better at it than me I’m sure (loads of men too, which is fine, if they’re best they get the job)
     
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  18. Gone For A Walk

    Gone For A Walk Well-Known Member

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    See SpringTigers post as just one obvious in your face example!
    If you worked in the corporate world you would know.
     
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    I have no issue with a female coach over the age of 30 as they are like to be more masculine then most of the current Generation Z anyway.
     
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  20. Chazz Rheinhold

    Chazz Rheinhold Well-Known Member

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    I can’t see an example in that?
    How do you know where I work?

    give me some examples from your corporate world
     
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