Game Over For Ole

your position is untenable. To simply put ALL the blame on the management and absolve the players of ALL of the responsibility is utterly ridiculous. They have to accept that some of the sh1tshow they put out is down to them. Individually. Many possible reasons from disgruntlement, not believing in the tactics, lack of fitness, etc. These are highly paid and experienced professional players not ****ing junior apprentices who have started playing professional football.

 

You keep banging on about players are highly paid. What on earth has that got to do with building a team that executes to plan? Without a team plan, it doesn’t matter how much you pay anyone, individual efforts will always fall short.

If you want to blame players for losing 50% of games because they somehow “downed the tools”, you should stick to tennis or golf.

 

With Christian’s logic of players getting paid so well to perform regardless of the manager’s plan, Jadon Sancho should fit right well in wing-back position - https://metro.co.uk/2021/11/12/dann...ning-revelation-15593896/?ito=amp-more-item-1

 

Danny Mills is an utter ****ing cock mate.

 

Regardless of who made the point, the point is absolutely valid. Did we spend £75m on Sancho to be used as right back or wind back? It’s ridiculous!

 

If you think that the sh1tshow is ALL due to the players then you are more misguided than I thought. I’ve already said my piece about the management but to put 100% of the blame on them is simply sticking your head in the sand, Our players or at least some of them have to take some of the responsibility.

In any case we are going round in circles. You think our players should be completely absolved of any responsibility and I will never believe that. So let’s agree to disagree.

 

Well, not if that's the formation we are going to go forward with.

Like it or not, AWB is nothing more than a defender.
He's no good going forward, doesn't overlap with the right winger or right midfield.

Makes great tackles, runs forward, stops and misplaces a pass. Never makes a cross.

It's not working.

He'd play well in a back three (like Walker does for England, for example) with an attacking right sided player outside him (like TAA).

There is no reason whatsoever why Sancho can't do this role.

 

whoever is manager AWB will never be the world class (or even the Utd standard) full back some of us here think he is

 

He's a million miles from that.

Definite centre half potential though.

 

The problem is that some of our fans take every so called pundit’s spouting as gospel when some of them are blatantly anti Utd

 

You really think that the pundits are the problem? Seriously?

 

City fan and ex Leeds player, who ended up playing ****e in a ****e City team.

No axe to grind whatsoever like.

 

No. They are not the problem. I just don’t take their rubbish recommendations or comments as gospel, I make my own mind

 

Mills is on talksport and I just know when he speaks that he's the kind of bloke I'd bang out in a heartbeat.

Utter ****er.

 

Sancho is more of an advance player. A fullback needs to first be able to defend fully first while advancing plays forward. AWD has never been that player to progress forward plays. However, Sancho is absolutely not the answer. Dalot would be better suited to the task than Sancho if we are to stick to 3-5-2. And with our crappy defenders, I doubt that system suits us against top creative sides. They will tear us apart from the wings like City did repeatedly.
Same thing with the left side. Telles is far better than Shaw in 3-5-2. It would be absurd to think Martial or Rashford could do the job in that formation as fullbacks.

 

Why do you even bother watch them then complain? Especially if your mind is already made up? And God knows that your logic of where the problem lies is as bad as the manager that’s playing players out of position. And on that point, I think Danny Mills is right on the money regarding Sancho.

 

They aren't full backs in that formation though, they're wingbacks.

 

I meant wingbacks there. If we play 3-5-2 with Rashford and Sancho on either side, we will get slayed.

 

No, I was referring to the chiefs reference to your quote. He is ****e and blatantly anti Utd. To quote such a ****e to boost your point is poor IMO. Same as Danny “****” Murphy on MOTD. Hates Utd with a passion yet pretends he’s concerned. Such monumental ****ing hypocrisy.

Look. We won’t agree. You absolve the players completely of any responsibility for the ****show but I don’t. No amount of discussion will persuade me and others. So may be we just move on.

 

I’m not absolving players of anything. That’s the manager’s job to hold all the players accountable. You’re missing that key point. There is no grey area in my argument.

Let me make it really simple…
1/ Manager is responsible for holding his players accountable
2/ Results vindicate manager’s application of his methods to hold his players accountable
3/ If manager fails with #1, #2 goes sideways!

This is why the manager picks the team that can execute his orders. If he can’t accomplish that to get results, then he must be held accountable. Players do not succeed without an adequate plan from the manager. Your argument here is that they should be professional regardless and play extremely well because they get paid well. That is nonsense!

When the next manager comes in and finds that players are not to his liking in how they execute orders, he will look at the squad to identify how to fix the issue or get new players in.