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Game Over For Ole

Discussion in 'Manchester United' started by Treble, Sep 25, 2021.

  1. remembercolinlee

    remembercolinlee Well-Known Member

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    I think that clubs with top managers will fight tooth and nail to stop United getting them mid season.
    I have no doubt that managers would want to join but (for example) PSG would put up a massive fight which could cause even more difficulties for united.
    Seriously have no idea wtf your board is thinking...they are almost as irrational as ours...not a a good look tbh <laugh>
     
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  2. Christiansmith

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    Everton have many key players injured. Their recent matches were really poor. And they are not playing well at home. Benitez is a good manager but even he cannot perform miracles with the players he has available. Spurs are on the up after that Utd debacle, with Conte coming in to give them a boost. I think the most significant effect will be on Kane. He needed something to spark his mojo back and Conte will provide it.

    I think it should be an easy away win.
     
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    Dean Smith sacked by Villa
     
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    I honestly now think like GNeville the board has decided to stick with Ole no matter what. They just don’t want to make a decision. Apathy reigns. Big clubs have to make big decisions. Barcelona PSG Madrid make them without hesitation.
     
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    Did tell you that we wouldn't win.

    Now 9 goals in 11 Premier League games.

    Failed to score in 5 out of 11 league games.

    No goals in our 3 and a half league games... including added on time approx 340 mins!

    No attempts on targets in our last 2 and a half league games...including added on time approx 240 mins.

    What a time to be a spur!

    <laugh>
     
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    Your posts mirror each other. The board at United is the problem and Woodward is a punk. The sooner he leaves, the better it is for the club. The next CEO has to take a completely different approach and prioritize what happens on the field. That was never a thing for Woodward. All his actions were reactive to the moment as supposed to proactive with clear expectations defined.

    With Liverpool's loss at West Ham and City losing the week before, it infuriates me when hear how "United are light years behind" this team and that team. It is nonsense and lazy especially when we look at the squads. United squad on paper would match anyone else. But everything at United else is below sub par which drags down the while squad along with it. Training, match preparation, match day tactics and execution. We need the next manager to have full hands on approach with all of the above. At this point, I don't think it matters that they have now won trophies. That is besides the point. You look at Julian Nigelsmann at Bayern. He is 34 years old and never won a trophy. But the qualities are there to ensure that with the right resources, he is bound to succeed. This is the type of recruiting process that we need to go through to pick the right candidate.
     
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    <laugh>
     
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    Where the fck is that toad Sucky! <party>
     
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  10. Chief

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    Just waiting for GF to turn up and say it's OK being as ****e as we are because look, Liverpool also lost.

    #giveoletime
     
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    But wouldn't logic dictate that we must be beyond sht at this point if other so-called lower teams beat teams that completely destroy us in our own backyard?

    I hope that is the logic GF is working with at this point. I'm sure he's reading this lol
     
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    It's just stuff n nonsense now. Arsenal are above us, we're 5 points off top 4 and that might as well be 10. We're out of 2 competitions inside 2 months.

    This is the worst run of home games in nigh on 70 years. He's breaking records Van Gaal broke ffs. That takes some doing!
     
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  13. cytrax

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    Ralf Rangnick is in the press. His history is quite fascinating.
     
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    Dean Smith’s highlight of the season was beating Manchester United which is ironic considering they haven’t been able to get any results since. Everyone comes to OT looking like the untouchable. We pay our players to make others look irresistibly amazing.
     
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  15. Christiansmith

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    like the RS. Seemed like world beaters and believing the hype they lost 5 points out of 6 straight afterwards <laugh>

    There is now a rumour that United have had talks with Rodgers. He’s done some good job with Leicester BUT he couldn’t get Leicester over the line when he was close to a CL place and he couldn’t get the RS over the line when they were one inch from the title with a very strong team (the hilarious Stevie slip). However what do they say about many managerial changes? The players are not responding to the same voice day in day out and a change any change is better than none. I think most fans (like me) have recognised that unfortunately the turning point has been reached and passed.
     
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    I’ve said before that I really don’t mind Rodgers. He’s a hard working coach who gets the best out of his players. Right now, what we need is steady hands to make sure that the team produces something close to their best. Most of our good players from last season have badly regressed and the sooner a change is made, the better it will be. If the team’s output can get to 90-95% for each game, it will bring us up the table because the quality is there.
     
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    I never thought I's say these words but I think Rodgers would be a steady appointment right now.

    He's missed out a couple of times but then he's clearly evolving and improving. Ironically, that is also happening with someone we discarded too quickly In Moyes.

    I would assume that there is some regret in that, as Moyes was jumped on very quickly by some sections of the support and given dogs abuse. The club have then hung their hat on the wrong guy with regards giving him time, based on nothing more than sentiment.

    I think at this time I'd rather Rodgers than a foreign import.
     
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    I'm open-minded with regards to Rodgers.

    The negative obviously is that he managed Livpl but there was never any emotional connection imo. And here's another way of looking at it... how good would it be if he wasn't able to win the league with them but wins it with United!

    The other negative thing is his ability come across as small-time sometimes. For example, no manager managing a top club does interviews on the Talksport Breakfast show ffs. He did... every week... while managing Livpl. I hope someone's had a word with him because he doesn't do it anymore.

    The big positive is his style of football, a great balance of solid defending and expansive passing, attacking football as well as his coaching and developing of players.

    But another positive which I'd say is just as important is that he's British. I don't know why, but I don't think a foreign manager suits the club. Unlike every other top 6 club, we're the last one to have a foreign manager. Prior to this we've had Fergie, Big Ron, Sexton, Docherty, O'Farrell Busby. Because of Fergie we've been the last to have a foreign manager.

    There's always been something, a niggling doubt, with every foreign manager, that they can't manage United. But I've always convinced myself that weren't important. And when Rodgers was mentioned a while back, there was something that made me think, yeh he'd fit. At the time I couldn't put my finger on it, but I know now it's the fact he's a good manager who's British and that suits United.
     
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    i think after Fergie any manager would have found it difficult. Moyes found it overwhelming, managing players who have won loads of trophies whilst he hadn’t won any. LVG was wrong for the club as he was on the way down in his career and his football was dire and completely unsuited to Utd. Mourinho was too egocentric and couldn’t give a **** about the academy or youngsters as his main priority was winning at all costs, including publicly rubbishing his own first players. If they knew how difficult the recruitment of a suitable manager was going to be they would have given Moyes a bit more time. Not sure though that Moyes would have cut it even given time.
     
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    I don’t think being a Brit is such an important qualification. The England team has had foreign managers FFS! The requirement after Ole and Mourinho is someone who is savvy, can make tough decisions, not overawed by top players, think of the club’s long term future, develop youngsters and with decent CV of playing against top teams.
     
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