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Said based on the snippet of culture war bollocks you chose to post here.

 

It's more than a snippet when job applications by white men are being ripped up in favour of women and non-white people. At least the company doing it should have the honesty to state on it's job application form - "applications by white men will be ripped up."

Of course, if that is legal, it is equally legal to rip up the job applications of black men. That is why I say, you don't fight prejudice with more prejudice.

But I wouldn't expect you to understand that.

 

Which as I said doesn’t appear to be happening here once you go beyond the provocative headline which seems to have served its purpose.

 

White men are NOT hired without "special approval". I'd say that's evidence it's happening. Turn it the other way - Black men are not hired without special approval.

Doesn't have much of a ring to it, does it?

I assume you're a white man. Wouldn't you want to know about this policy before applying for a job at that company?

 

****ing hell just seen Anne-Marie Trevelyan on the tv. How out of touch is she!! No wonder approval rates are sinking

 

Martin Lewis has suggested the timing looks extremely iffy on the reforms… to be fair to the Torys their conduct and their members are pretty much always being looked into so there would never be a right time.

 

I would know about it given it’s made it into The Times or wherever this is from.

It just sounds to me like the company is making sure minorities/women get a fair hearing when applying, like a Rooney Rule, rather than yet another thing for old white blokes to feel forever hard done by over. The white guy still gets the job if he’s deemed to be the best for it, which is at least partly subjective anyway, and women/minorities both at this level and lower down feel there isn’t as much of a glass ceiling in a notorious industry for it which encourages a more diverse workforce and diverse ideas and in time makes the company better at what they do. No biggie, IMO.

 

30 MPs who could be affected by proposed consultancy ban
As the Commons standards committee plans to review regulations here are the MPs earning money for advisory work

• MPs could be barred from consultancy roles in sleaze clampdown

Commons shake-up on rules relating to MPs taking up paid work outside parliament comes in the wake of former MP, Owen Paterson, was found to have breached lobbying rules. Photograph: osterman/Getty Images/iStockphoto

More than 30 MPs could be affected if they are barred from taking up positions as consultants or advisers outside their parliamentary work, as is under consideration by the standards committee.

It is not against the rules for MPs to provide consultancy work to businesses. They must record it in the register of financial interests and must not lobby the government on behalf of the companies that pay them – as Owen Paterson was found to have done.

Among the highest earners are the Sutton Coldfield MP, Andrew Mitchell, who receives £182,600 a year for 32.5 days work for firms including the accountants, Ernst & Young and the investment company Investec. The former minister, Chris Grayling, earns £100,000 a year from Hutchison Ports Europe, while former chief whip, Julian Smith, takes home £144,000 a year from firms including a hydrogen distribution company and a marine refurbishment business.

Here is a list of the MPs earning money for consultancy or advisory work, the majority of whom are members of the Conservative party. There is no suggestion of wrongdoing.

Andrew Mitchell, Sutton Coldfield (Conservative)

• Senior adviser to Investec, earning £12,000pa for two days
  

• Senior adviser to Montrose Associates, earning £36,000pa for 8 days
  

• Consultant with Ernst & Young, £30,000pa for five days
  

• Adviser providing general business advice to Arch Emerging Partners, £15,000pa for 2.5 days, plus commission for introducing any new business
  

• Senior adviser on African matters to SouthBridge, a Rwanda-based investment bank, earning £39,600pa for 9 days
  

• Senior adviser to Kingsley Capital Partners, £50,000pa for 8 days plus share options
  

• Total £182,600 for 34.5 days
  

Julian Smith, Skipton and Ripon (Conservative)

• External adviser on business development for hydrogen distribution company, Ryse Hydrogen, earning £60,000pa for 20 hours
  

• External adviser to Simply Blue Management (UK), earning £24,000pa for 12-24 hours
  

• External adviser on business development to marine refurbishment and property company MJM Marine, earning £60,000pa for 30-40 hours
  

• Total £144,000pa for 62-84 hours
  

Chris Grayling, Epsom and Ewell (Conservative)

• Strategic adviser to Hutchison Ports Europe, earning £100,000pa for 336 hours
  

Mark Garnier, Wyre Forest (Conservative)

• Member of advisory board of start-up satellite company, Laser Light Communications, earning £60,000pa for 120 hours
  

• Chair of the advisory board of the Shetland Space Centre, earning £30,000pa for 120 hours
  

• Total £90,000 for 240 hours
  

Sir Ed Davey, Kingston and Surbiton (Liberal Democrats)

• Consultant on political issues and policy analysis to Herbert Smith Freehills, earning £60,000pa for 72 hours
  

• Member of the advisory board of Next Energy Capital, a specialist investment and asset manager in the international solar sector, earning £18,000pa for 48 hours
  

• Total £78,000 for 120 hours – all earnings used to benefit Sir Ed’s disabled son
  

Alun Cairns, Vale of Glamorgan (Conservative)

• Senior adviser to BBI Group, a global life science and diagnostic company, earning £15,000pa for up to 70 hours
  

• Senior adviser to private hire transport company Veezu Holdings, earning £15,000pa for up to 70 hours
  

• Adviser to global property investment firm Elite Partners Capital Pte, earning £30,000pa for up to 84 hours
  

• Total £60,000pa for up to 224 hours
  

Ruth Edwards, Rushcliffe (Conservative)

• Adviser to MHR International, which produces HR and payroll software and solutions, earning £60,000pa for 192 hours. She provides advice on public sector, technology strategy and cybersecurity.
  

Stephen Hammond, Wimbledon (Conservative)

• Strategic adviser to investment company, Darwin Alternative Investments, providing political advice on business and finance, earning £60,000pa for 50-100 hours.
  

Steve Brine, Winchester (Conservative)

• Strategic adviser to healthcare recruitment company, Remedium Partners, earning £19,200pa for 96 hours
  

• Strategic adviser to Microlink PC (UK), earning £19,200pa for 96 hours
  

• Strategic adviser to pharmaceuticals company Sigma, earning £19,992pa for 96 hours
  

• Total £58,392pa for 288 hours
  

David Davis, Haltemprice and Howden (Conservative)

• Member of the advisory board of German investment company, THI Holdings GmbH, earning £33,900pa for 16 hours
  

• Chairman of the supervisory board of German property company, Kohlgartenstrasse 15 Verwaltungs AG, earning £16,948pa for 168 hours
  

• Total £50,848 for 184 hours
  

Sir John Hayes, South Holland and The Deepings (Conservative)

• Strategic adviser to international energy company, BB Energy Trading, earning £50,000pa for 80-90 hours
  

Sir Iain Duncan Smith, Chingford and Woodford Green (Conservative)

• Member of the international advisory board of Tunstall Health Group, earning £20,000pa for up to 30 hours
  

• Adviser to the board of Byotrol Technology, a British company which develops and produces anti-viral/anti-bacterial products, earning £25,000pa for 144 hours
  

• Total £45,000pa for 174 hours
  

Damian Green, Ashford (Conservative)

• Consultant on rail policy to Abellio Transport Holdings, earning £40,000 pa for 288 hours
  

Tim Loughton, East Worthing and Shoreham (Conservative)

• Adviser to the board of the Outcomes First Group, which provides care for vulnerable young people, earning £37,000pa for 144 hours
  

Daniel Kawczynski, Shrewsbury and Atcham (Conservative)

• Consultant providing general advice to US mining company The Electrum Group, £36,000pa for 360 hours
  

Andrew Percy, Brigg and Goole (Conservative)

• Member of the advisory board of Iogen Corporation, a Canadian clean energy company, earning £36,000pa for 72 hours
  

Khalid Mahmood, Birmingham Perry Barr (Labour)

• Consultant to thinktank Policy Exchange earning £25,000 a year for up to 180 hours. He provides advice on extremism, social cohesion and apprenticeships/vocational training.
  

Laurence Robertson, Tewkesbury (Conservative)

• Parliamentary adviser on sport and safer gambling to the Betting and Gaming Council, earning £24,000pa for 120 hours
  

Richard Fuller, North East Bedfordshire (Conservative)

• Advisory director of venture capital company Investcorp Securities, earning £20,000pa for 48 hours (plus an additional £29,900 for 19 hours in 2021 so far)
  

Sir Robert Neill, Bromley and Chislehurst (Conservative)

• Consultant to property and business consultancy the Substantia Group, earning £12,000pa for 72 hours
  

• Strategic and communications advice to the Masonic Charitable Foundation, earning £7,500 for 10 hours (one-off payment)
  

• Total £19,500 for 82 hours
  

Royston Smith, Southampton, Itchen (Conservative)

• Consultancy services for Barker Mill Estates, £18,000 for 90 hours since May 2020
  

Sir Greg Knight, east Yorkshire (Conservative)

• Adviser to Cambridge and Counties Bank, providing general business and public relations advice, earning £16,000pa for 108 hours
  

Ben Everitt, Milton Keynes North (Conservative)

• Strategic adviser to Institute of Chartered Accountants in England and Wales, earning £15,000pa for 60-80 hours
  

Andrew Bridgen, North West Leicestershire (Conservative)

• Adviser to Mere Plantations, a company which grows teak in Ghana, earning £12,000pa for 96 hours. He provides advice on business and international politics.
  

Philip Davies, Shipley (Conservative)

• Parliamentary adviser on Pawnbroking to the National Pawnbroking Association, earning £12,000pa for 60-120 hours
  

Sir Graham Brady, Altrincham and Sale West (Conservative)

• Adviser on communications and marketing strategy to Snowshill Allied Holdings, earning £10,000pa for 12 hours
  

Chris Skidmore, Kingswood (Conservative)

• Advisory board member for Oxford International Education Group, earning £10,000pa for 48-96 hours. He provides advice on higher education and international student recruitment.
  

Paul Maynard, Blackpool North and Cleveleys (Conservative)

• Consultant to ATM network Link Scheme, earning £6,250pa for 32 hours to be paid direct to charity
  

John Redwood, Wokingham (Conservative)

• Member of the advisory board of Epic Private Equity, earning £5,000pa for 12 hours
  

Andrew Lewer, Northampton South (Conservative)

• Consultant providing public policy advice to Penelope Thornton Hotels, earning £4,800pa for 48 hours
  

Dean Russell, Watford (Conservative)

• Consultancy on marketing and training content for business education provider EPIFNY Consulting, earning £2,100 for 30 hours in 2021
  

 

So although it's set out in black and white, because it comes from the Times, you aren't able to read it. Maybe you'll have to wait until the Guardian publishes it.

You say "old white blokes" but this is more likely to apply to young white men looking for a job.

You sidestepped my question. If you were looking for a job, would you want to know if a company had this policy?

 

I didn’t say that. I said it’s in The Times and hence I would know about it.

I directly answered the question. You just misread it. Yes I’d like to know, as a young white man. I’d also read more into it than a deliberately misleading headline.

If the company is giving jobs to inferior candidates to fill some sort of quota that’s wrong. That doesn’t appear to be happening here, going purely on the bit of the article I can see, as much as you seem to want it to.

 

The majority are Torys I’m shocked… sure there won’t be anymore conflicts of interest highlighted

 

Some of the salaries they get paid makes being an MP their second job!

 

It would be interesting to see when they started these second jobs/‘consultancy work’. I know that Paterson started getting £100k a year from Randox in 2015, many years after he became an MP and just after he was in Government in NI and then Environment. He has no expertise in Randox’s business at all, so I think it’s a safe assumption that he was appointed to use his contacts on behalf of the company’s interests. I’m sure many of the others are in the same boat, exploiting a public position, rather than personal skills, knowledge or experience, to get cash from the private sector and then lobby on its behalf regardless of public interest.

Pretty easy to ban, plus banning any contribution to debates or votes on matters related to people/companies who have ‘donated’ to MPs.

 

Probably hiding in a fridge again

 

Andrew Neil @afneil

Latest USA Today/Suffolk survey: President Biden's approval rating has sunk to new low of 38%. So prepare to switch to VP Harris in 2024? Maybe not. Her approval rating is even worse at 28%.

 

Cash for peerages…..just a coincidence peerages awarded when donations reach £3m? Time for reform, time to abolish unelected House of Lords

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Imagine handing peerages out to your friends just because they did you a massive favour

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https://www.euronews.com/travel/202...ne-brings-back-data-roaming-charges-in-the-eu

An absolute classic of the genre.

"This isn't what Brexit is meant to be," he tells Euronews Travel, "I voted leave to make things simpler, to stop having to follow rules made up by someone I didn't vote for. This is worse than it was before."

 

Just think of all the corruption we’re now free of… oh wait

 

Euronews of course, being a well known Brexit news outlet that would never select quotes to suit its own agenda

 

has he told his leader

Richard Burgon MP
@RichardBurgon
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The current Health Secretary was getting £1,500 per HOUR earlier this year working for a US investment bank while also being an MP. It's completely unacceptable. The Bill I'm putting down will ban second jobs for MPs.

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