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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
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  1. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    bound to be some tories as well
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    Claudia Webbe is the seventh elected Labour MP to be handed a jail sentence, suspended or otherwise, in the past 10 years,
    following Eric Illsley,
    David Chaytor,
    Jim Devine,
    Denis MacShane,
    Elliot Morley (all expenses-related)
    & Fiona Onasanya (perverting the course of justice.)
     
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  2. Goldhawk-Road

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    Charlie Elphic is the only one that comes to mind.
     
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  3. bobmid

    bobmid Well-Known Member

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    And so they all should rightly be punished as any elected politician should be. Breaking the law, rules or ministerial code (thats a joke itself) should all have repurcusions.
     
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  4. Goldhawk-Road

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    1. The question of second jobs in Parliament should be looked at. Perhaps restricted them to keeping up professional qualifications like medicine or law, charitable work or pro bono.

    2. The professional standards commission needs to have an appeal process. It seems even the Labour Party agrees with this.

    3. Patterson - presumably he doesn't have a right of appeal, since none exists and the current arrangements fall short of satisfying rules of natural justice.
     
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  5. bobmid

    bobmid Well-Known Member

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    Guildford's MP Angela Richardson lost her job as a Parliamentary aide during the furore over the Owen Paterson lobbying scandal - only to be reinstated less than 24 hours later.
    A classic example of fire and re-hire
     
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  6. Goldhawk-Road

    Goldhawk-Road Well-Known Member

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    What was the reason behind this?
     
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  7. Star of David Bardsley

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    Sacked for disloyalty, re-instated when the thing she was meant to be loyal to turned out to not be all that popular.
     
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  8. Goldhawk-Road

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    Ah, yes - Boris blunder and Angela comes out smelling of roses. Fair enough for her
     
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    The issue with Paterson wasn't a 'second job', it was lobbying for cash.
     
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  10. Goldhawk-Road

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    Yes, but his representation of the two companies was a second job. He wasn't doing anything illegal until he allegedly lobbied for them in Parliament.

    There will always be a temptation for MP's to use their Parliamentary influences to help an employer while the rules remain unchanged.
     
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  11. bobmid

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    And if they succumb to that temptation then they should be sacked.
     
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    She was only disloyal for 24 hours or so bless her
     
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  13. Goldhawk-Road

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    Sure, they should be sanctioned if they break the rules, no question. But do MP's really need second jobs in the first place?
     
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  14. bobmid

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    I wouldnt know. As you said in an earlier post, if its a normal day to day job where lobbying isnt or cant be a part of it then fair enough. On the other hand, arent we meant to trust the people that are elected not to do such things
     
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    Trust comes into it, but the Patterson affair wasn't so much a breach of trust as a straying across the rules. He contacted the Food Agency rightly to warn of antibiotics in food, and then strayed into lobbying by suggesting which companies might resolve the problem.
     
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    "Boys and teachers asked to wear skirts in Scottish school to 'break down gender stereotypes'

    SNP Scotland <doh>
     
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  17. bobmid

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    He broke the rules and no doubt made a pretty penny in doing so. **** him, good riddance.
     
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  18. Goldhawk-Road

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    You're missing the point, mate. I'm not defending Paterson, I'm saying that in the future, there will be more straying across the line unless rules are strengthened.

    If you give someone a Porsche 911 on the understanding they won't exceed 30mph, guess what? They probably will exceed it. So better not give them the Porsche in the first place.
     
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    Does it actually have anything to do with the SNP at all?
     
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  20. Goldhawk-Road

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    It's a state run school, and the state is run by the SNP, so I'd say yes, wouldn't you?

    The school is supported by Edinburgh Council that is SNP run.

    Parents are complaining their kids are getting screwed up. Too right
     
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