Looking at that list and discounting NA (he should stay a Saint for ever!) the 'future' looks fairly bleak tbh
How many times will the England players believe that the Wembly pitch is always 'downhill towards the fans' in the second half? http://www.tribalfootball.com/artic...-downhill-towards-newcastle-fans-krul-1992661
If rumours are to be believe as to why he was sacked from us it wouldn't be John Terry the players would have to watch out for with their WAG's lol
There's Pulis who's Welsh and Martinez who's Italian but has been in English football for quite some time. Even with those 2, its a pretty ninspiring list (apart from NA obviously).
I think the reasons for the continued failure od England Football teams are many, and include:- 1) a lack of really world class players 2) a desire to persist with players even when they are past their best 3) the growth of the premier league has reduced the no of english players plying their trade, or even learning their trade at the highest level 4) the level of money at club football has made the club vs country debate even more accute. I feel players would rather achieve club success that national success 5) the no of non english managers in the premiership mean less opportunities for english managers and less desire to release players for international freindlies 6) there is no team spirit in the national team - we have all read Scholes view about the manU and liverpool players being at odds with each other in england camps. 7) there is still a drinking culture amonsgst english players meaning they are often not fullly fit or prepare for international holidays - they treat it like a week long binge in Ibiza. 8) the absolute incompetence of the FA, in running football and choosing england managers 9) keeping lame duck managers who clearly cannot command the dressing room (Capello, Sven and wally Brolley spring to mind) 10) the lack of technical ability in many players (how many players can use both feet for example) 11)....... I'm getting too dpressed to carry on. I was lucky enough to watch the 66 final on TV ( i was only 9) but I fear I will NEVER again witness England in any type of final even the Europeans let alone win it.
1) We've had some over the years, just not always the right ones at the right time. 2) You'd think it would be pretty simple to replace them but quite clearly not. 3,4) Spain were crap when La Liga went into financial overload. I'm no expert on what exactly happened, but Spain have come good since they decided to produce more and import less. We can't be far away from a point where we realise we can't make ourselves any better by throwing money overseas. 5) The only English manager under 60 who would be remotely suitable as the next but 1 England manager is our very own NA. Let's hope for our sake that they go down the foreign route. 6) Gary Neville said that players, him included, don't enjoy playing for England. It's sad that players can't motivate themselves to play for their country. It's understandable that players won't slot together seamlessly if they play for different/rival clubs. 7) Boys will be boys. Discipline is part of the manager's job. 8) The FA are useless, let's just hope they get better 9) Capello is a good manager with an impossible job made harder given that he can't speak English and knows very little about the culture. It's tough for anyone, particularly now. 10) The crop coming through the youth ranks now are meant to be quite good so there is a chance when they become fully fledged. 11) Aren't we all? England always has and still does love football. While there is still passion for the game, there is always hope.
I think we can all agree that the EPL is the best league in the world, and if not best, certainly top 3. That means the harder it is for an English player to get into the league the better this player is. You want the best players on the English squad? Then you should make the EPL a league that has the best talent from the entire world, and when English players make it in that league it's BETTER for them to become world class top talent. The harder it is for a local boy to make your league the better he is going to become. If you have more English players in the EPL by a legal rule then it's going to water down the quality of the league, and therefore hurt England's chances by lessening the demand for top performances and top skills. If that would happen then you wouldn't have ANY English players learning their trade at the highest level because it wouldn't be the highest level any more. Same goes for the managers.
Dan, one question for you is how do you define "best" Its certainly the richest. Its certainly one of the most watched. But do you genuinely beleive that the worlds best players have all gravitated to the EPL. I think that is not correct. The EPL is full of overpaid, average foreign players. Take away the top 4 or 5 teams and the standard of football from the others is pretty average at best. the games might be exciting for the fans of the teams involved, but to my neutral eye they are pretty dull affairs.
Overall, our players are not technically as good as alot of other nations players. Where we take 1 or 2 seconds to control a ball or move it on, they do it in milli-seconds. It has to start at the beginning and start teaching our 7, 8, 9 and 10 year olds how to be technically in control of the football and how to apply that to diferent areas of the pitch. We don't do that, we push our very young kids to win the match and win the medal. Then, as they get older they become top professionals and play against the best in the world, they realise then that they have lacked technically behind other nations.
I should have added.... don't focus on the top, focus on the bottom. It is with the kids we have to change our mentality. Unfortunately I am in a small minority in this belief, but I will keep banging the drum.
FatLeTiss, the FA have started this process by delaying our youngsters playing 11 a side. Currently it is at 11 yrs. This is going to be increased to 13 years of age. The theory is that 8v8 and 9v9 games give players more touches during a game, and is more in line with mainland europe. U8s are already non competitive, and i see this being extended to the older age groups eventually.
Nice thought, but unbelievably naive. Take nationality out of the picture for a second, an accomplished professional at the peak of his physical stature will most likely get chosen ahead of a spindly 17 year old straight from the academy. With all the money at stake, teams will do just that unless their hand is forced by a player shortage. The Poortvliet saga was a total mess, but it did make better players out of Morgan and Lallana. Experience makes players, even the tiny minority naturally gifted and strong enough to hack it straight away at the top. The accomplished professionals are either foreign, horrendously expensive or unfashionable FL players. A PL team could have easily got to Rickie Lambert before we did, but the fact that they didn't says something of their attitude towards the FL. They'd rather sign players from the continent even if there are equal or better ones to be had t home.
We need a cap on foreigners in the whole of the english league. Id say a max of five in the starting team and 3 on the bench.
You are correct Olddellboy. I coach under 11 team at 9v9 but I have experienced first hand the problems we face. Each team we play still has coaches screaming at their players to get the ball forward and when it gets over the halfway line both the coach and the parents start to get over excited and the boys start to kick it harder and faster. Last week I witnessed one coach continually telling his striker to slide into our keeper as he was so desperate to get that goal (I did tell him I didn't think it appropriate for ten year olds) I also had to fight like mad within my own club to get them to enter the 9v9 league rather than 11v11. I'm afraid that as a footballing nation, the majority still are only interested in their young kids winning a cup or a medal. The FA themselves tell us they want to change our mentality, yet their own coaching qualification system has two routes available and they contradict each other. We MUST start to coach kids the skills and techniques properly as we will stay behind the rest of the world.
