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Match Day Thread Tottenham Hotspur v Manchester United

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by PleaseNotPoll, Oct 28, 2021.

  1. Alfie Conn

    Alfie Conn Well-Known Member

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    If I was there you would have seen a **** in a sock heading towards Levy, it's got to the stage with my support that I watched the cricket to the end and could not be bothered to tune in till HT
    Martin Tyler talking about us bringing back Eriksen, 2 goals scored by players joint age of 70 , pathetic
     
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  2. KingHotspur

    KingHotspur Well-Known Member

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    Not at all. The blame ultimately lies with ENIC as they appointed the guy who appointed the manager.
     
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  3. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    Martin Tyler demonstrating he knows nothing about football

    Players with pacemakers aren't allowed in the Premier League, so unless we're appointing Eriksen manager we aren't bringing him back
     
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  4. Billy The Spur

    Billy The Spur Well-Known Member

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    ENIC, Lewis and Levy, please do us all a massive favour and close the door on your way out, thanks.
     
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  5. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    And who was demanding that Levy appoint a DoF?
     
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  6. Left on the Shelf

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    I hold no animosity towards Nuno.
    He was always the wrong choice, but the omnishambles that has developed is all on Levy.
    Players aren't playing for the manager, nor the club. There are some seriously amateur professionals on our books.
     
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  7. Tilly'sowner

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    That's the end now that the fans are booing and leaving early. Sacking nuno is not enough and I hope levy recognises that.

    There simply is no heart in the team. I've said this before but there are no leaders on the pitch.
     
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  8. Citizen Kane.

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    Common sense.
     
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  9. BrunelGunner

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    This is my (attempted) balanced view in terms of where I sympathise with Nuno and where I don't:

    Why I feel sorry for Nuno:

    1) He had a Kane saga to deal with that preceded him and it was an issue that he had no control over. Any manager walking into a situation like this was going to suffer.
    2) He inherited a very unbalanced squad and perhaps wasn't given the backing in the market he would have wanted.
    3) The pride issue of it being fairly well-publicised that he was Spurs' 7th choice option appointed at the 11th hour because Spurs weren't willing to pay for the managers they actually wanted. This isn't going to go down well with the players or the morale of staff when they knowingly hire a manager that everyone knew wasn't truly desired by those at the top.

    Why I don't feel sorry for Nuno:

    1) He's not done much to dispel the concerns that he's Mourinho-lite and the players who were clearly alienated by that style of play didn't want a manager to replicate this. So why did he?
    2) His team selections and substitutions are bizarre. Although I appreciate you are overstocked in some areas and understocked in other areas, I don't believe he's made the best out of an unideal situation.
    3) He said he was going to bring the Spurs DNA back and that he'd make all the fans proud. Yet he's displayed no evolution in his 'cautious' approach and isn't proactive in terms of squad management.
    4) His man-management leaves a lot to be desired. Players don't seem willing to fight for him or go the extra mile. There doesn't appear to be any faith in what he's doing throughout any level of the club.

    To be honest, the primary blame should be on your owners for appointing someone whose principles went against your entire ethos and who had just come off a dismal season with Wolves. It was destined to be a failure of a marriage.

    I don't understand how they couldn't see this coming.
     
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  10. paultheplug

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    I hope our loan for Romero has a binding purchase clause or I fear he will be going back to Atalanta
     
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  11. humanbeingincroydon

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    Much like the loan for Lo Celso, he effectively signed his contract when he arrived, so it's a matter of paying the fee

    On the other hand, I get the feeling that Gollini won't be playing twenty league games, or whatever the clause to make his loan permanent is
     
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  12. Citizen Kane.

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    Superb summary.

    Sadly most of our problems have been born of issues swathes of fans could see coming often years in advance.

    But when you're immersed in the bright lights of an NFL half time show and the heady fumes of the longest stadium bar in Europe, you tend to be blind to these things.
     
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  13. BajanSpur

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    I never quite saw what the big time sports media journalist saw in Harry Kane.
    With journalist help,. Spurs nearly pulled off one of the best heist this decade and almost robbed Manchester Ci£y of a good few of their English Pounds.
    Now Spurs might be lucky to get 10 Woodbines and a box ah Swans for him.

    At 28 yrs old, looks to me like his legs have gone early.

    'Missed opportunity all-round'.
     
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  14. Citizen Kane.

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    2 hours 16 minutes since our last shot on target.

    First time since Dec 2013 we've failed to have a shot on target in a home game.

    #DNA
     
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  15. Citizen Kane.

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    His status as our best striker of the PL era is beyond question, and he will rightfully go down as one of our greats.

    But he isn't a leader, struggles to react when the going is tough and disappears far too easily when the pressure is up.

    Players like Ginola, Kilnsmann and Bale carried the team multiple times, turning games with moments of utter magic.

    I cannot recall Kane ever doing that, and so right now - the team is carrying him.
     
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  16. humanbeingincroydon

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    I said it before and I'll say it again: f Nuno is going to get the sack, then Paratici needs to be the one who pulls the trigger

    If Paratici thought that Nuno was the right choice and it hasn't panned out, he needs to atone for his error
    If Paratici was given assurances by Nuno about how the football that we'd play that hasn't arrived, then he needs to set an example
    If Paratici thought only of steadying the ship for a season and misjudged it, he needs to ask Hitchen if he still has that list somewhere

    It does have to be said there's reports that Paratici was apparently going apeshit in the stands today
     
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  17. Spurf

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    Good points, he has won many games for us but never (that I can recall) when the chips were down and we needed someone to take the game by the scruff of the neck. Beckham was a similar disappointment who lived off the one time he did it in the Greek game. Our current squad is very short on the type of player who can pick up a team that's on the wrong end of a result and make things happen. There is very little fight in the team and it's ironic in my view that Lol Celso has shown that he has that fighting instinct but due to injury and selection has never had a run of games to show it. On the positive side I think our defence of Romero, Royal, and Dier has the makings of a solid back line, but apart from that our team is not as good as Brentford or Palace. I think we need a hard man as manager, someone who can weald a stick and generate some life into the team. Don't ask me who!
     
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  18. KingHotspur

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    Do you think there’s any chance that Levy sacks both and goes back to the old set up?
     
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  19. humanbeingincroydon

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    It's highly unlikely he'll scrap a setup within six months of implementing it, given our previous dalliances with a DoF setup have lasted 2-3 years

    - The first go-round with a DoF lasted four years, or three years with Comolli if you prefer, and was scrapped due to a combination of Redknapp not wanting a DoF coupled with Comolli's failure to replace Robbie Keane or Dimitar Berbatov in spite knowing at least one needed a direct replacement, and it has to be asked if he marked his card in the previous two years with his blatantly undermining Martin Jol
    - The second go-round with Baldini was scrapped within six months of being implemented, but that was easy to do as Villas-Boas demanded a DoF be brought in so it was just as easy for Levy to write the whole thing off again
    - The third go-round with Paul Mitchell lasted a couple of years and was quietly scrapped when Mitchell reportedly fell out with Levy and was then stuck on gardening leave for 16 months, although there's always been conflicting reports about who or what that involved since one version is his failure to sign Ousmane Dembele and/or Alexander Isak soured the relationship, others say he was at odds with Poch as Poch wanted Vincent Janssen while Mitchell wanted Michy Batshuayi, and so on
     
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  20. littleDinosaurLuke

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    I don’t think anyone does.
    But Utd’s quality (albeit old) players were clinical when it mattered whereas Spurs’ remained in a coma.
     
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