It’s not a small sample, we’ve seen him in the Premier League for over three years. That’s 100+ matches and he’s done nothing to disprove the many who had reservations over his appointment. Conservative and uninspiring.
If you rank all our managers on how exciting and entertaining the football is Nuno is below a kick in the nuts with steel toe caps
It's not the results that are the issue, it is the style of football and the manner of the performances. Watching spurs should not remind me of a migraine where before my meds kick in in I want to scratch my eyes out...but virtually every performance does this...even when we win.
Under-performed/achieved ?? Perhaps. However he did at least achieve SOMETHING, league and cups. In terms of : - cups, only Keithy is comparable. - consistent league performance, only BMJ / Arry / Pochettino (and to some extent Keithy - notably the squad legacy he bequeathed) .
I think he has by far the best trophy record of any of our managers but we broke or equalled the transfer record twice after winning the League and also signed Chivers, Coates and Roger Morgan for huge sums. So I think it's a little surprising we didn't do better in 1968 to 1973.
I agree with both you and Power, in a sense. On the one hand the sample size we have of him at Spurs is small compared to other Spurs managers and the amount of games he had at Wolves. Sacking a new manager who’s had a lot of **** to deal with when he’s 6th in the league and in the quarter finals of the LC seems a bit reactive on the face of it, especially when the consensus on here is that this is barely a top 6 quality squad (though I think the first XI could beat anyone on their day). And while there’s a lot of evidence that he played at Wolves in a certain way, he’s at a different club with different players and (supposedly) different expectations of style. Change takes time. On the other hand the performances and results have been really lacking and the style has been largely uninspiring for the most part. I’d be a lot more confident in Nuno if I could see what he’s trying to do with the team. The formation change has been a minor positive but I still don’t see patterns that encourage me on and off the ball. His management of the squad has been poor and his strategy with subs baffles me a little. I don’t know what I’d do if I was Levy, tbh. I don’t know who else out there is available mid-season and sacking a manager now would give big Watford vibes, I don’t know who would even want the job if they’re only going to be given a few months, with all the mitigating circumstances. We joke about Mason coming in but aside from the initial bounce, by the end of the season frustrations with him were becoming apparent. Maybe that was also down to losing the cup final/Kane situation/not having a permanent manager hired for the next season but Mason isn’t a silver bullet, we have already seen that.
I agree with pretty much all of that. I think managers should be sacked if they don't act consistently with what they promised to the club when they were appointed. If Nuno promised open attacking football and top 4 then he can be sacked any time as far as I am concerned because he isn't going to deliver that at the start and no one could with the current squad.
I think this squad could play that football. Certainly the starting XI could to an extent, though the CM partnership isn’t entirely suited to it. But the passing is slow and the movement off the ball is poor and often non-existent. I think that’s down to players but also coaching. I don’t see evidence of us drawing sides in then rapidly switching the ball like Liverpool, or exploiting the half spaces and channels like City. I don’t see an attacking strategy, especially against opponents who sit in when we have sustained possession, outside of getting the ball to one of the front 4 and hoping they do something special. When we started the season in 433 you could see we were targeting the wide areas offensively and defensively. In 4231 I don’t see the plan anymore, though I’d rather we play the latter because it suits the players more and we look more structured and solid out of possession. Nuno needs to work out how to use that formation offensively or we’ll be treated to more turgid football.
Persisting with Nuno is going to get us nowhere, all Levy/ Paratici would be doing is rectifying the mistake in appointing him. The club went for the cheap option and we got what we paid for really. We’re not completely skint and we know money talks. Managers will come if we dangle the carrot, not forgetting that whilst Kane and Son are here many would love to work with players like that. All managers can generally begin implementing their style or at least provide signs after having a full pre-season and a good few months of the season. We’ve seen nothing to suggest Nuno’s moving us in the right direction or close to playing a style that’s more exciting than what he had at Wolves. We’re winning unconvincingly and losing convincingly all whilst playing some extremely tedious football that even our two top stars are struggling in… Jose didn’t even have that problem. Nuno spoke about making us proud whilst Paratici supposedly had to convince Levy that Nuno was flexible and capable of playing football in a way that fits our club’s ethos… neither have done what they claimed and we the fans are the ones paying for it. It’s utter misery watching us under this bloke. He seems so dull and uninspiring too, it’s no wonder our players seem so bereft of life.
Again, I don’t disagree with most of this. Nuno was and is a short-term compromise manager. He’s a compromise because we couldn’t get anyone else and he’s a compromise because Levy and Paratici didn’t agree on him. I’m not happy with the football or the results and I’m not seeing a plan to change it. It’s not like we’re seeing him try something and it’s not working yet, like when Poch was implementing the press when he first arrived. That’s concerning to me. The only thing I disagree with is that he’ll definitely take us nowhere because we just don’t know that. We’re 6th after less than a 3rd of the league season. If I were Nuno and got sacked now I’d feel incredibly aggrieved. And like I said I don’t know who we’d be able to get in if we sacked him, given it’s early in the season and any manager is going to look at that attitude from the management and run a mile. We have some good players to work with but managers need time. I’m not very confident that Nuno will have us in a good place (in terms of results and style) by the New Year but I’m open minded to the possibility that he will. And I think we have to be that way because I don’t think he’s getting sacked.
We could have got someone else, though a number of the better options would’ve required a bigger financial commitment. We just seemingly didn’t want to pay out so we got the guy who was on the verge of taking over at Palace to come in on a two year deal. He’s basically a stop gap but even with a stop gap there needs to be some positivity about them, which there isn’t. As he’s managed to make us look worse than last season, it’s hard to even be open minded that we’ll go anywhere under him. He’s even managing to struggle in a competition we’re joint favourites for. It’s arguable that despite having Paratici here many may not fancy working for Levy as it feels like he has burned a number of bridges but ultimately we should always try. As I said, money talks and if we approach a sensible option with the right incentives they’ll want in. Persisting with Nuno is good for no one… especially us fans.
Mate it’s not easy trying to be positive. But if I lose that then I’ll be miserable and won’t want to watch Spurs so I’m trying to keep my chin up and see crumbs of positivity when they come even though I’ll probably be proved wrong in the end. Then again I think my unimpeachable reputation on here would already be in the **** if anyone remembered me saying that Gio was going to be better than Bruno Fernandes Maybe in an ideal world we try and convince Potter or Ten Hag that this job is for them and then try and buy them out of their contracts but we’ve shown we didn’t want to spend a lot of money on a manager and I don’t think Paratici fancies either of them. So given those (I think realistic) constraints I don’t know who we’d even hypothetically go for.
By week 13 of a new reign you expect to see improvements over the predecessor in at least one of the following : 1. results 2. on pitch performance (attack, defence) Now this is not guaranteed (Pochettino 2014-15 IMHO was neither of the above nor a foretelling of what was to come) . However Levy spouted the "DNA" blurb and Nuno has paid lip-service to it. So far I am currently seeing nothing in #2 to suggest Nuno will achieve it with the squad core he has.
I just think we should give him more time. He's had a very hard start in the PL. Mourinho only got 9 points last season from our starting 10 fixtures this season. I can't see any new manager being very motivated by his predecessor being treated shabbily.
Poch didn't get going until mid December of his first season. We ground out 3 wins on the trot followed by a well deserved draw against United. Then came "that" win against Chelsea and our confidence and playing style visibly lifted from that moment on. I'm willing to give Nuno equally as long but tbh he seems to just be emulating exactly what Jose did just with slightly different players so I'm not getting my hopes up.
The positivity's been well and truly sapped out from me. 5 years of bad signings and decisions from the hierarchy, poor football for three years, increased ticket prices at the new ground, poor managerial decisions and even our best players are now struggling to perform under the current manager. Lo Celso looked promising so it's fair to have been reasonably excited about him at the time but it's probably safe to say that now in his third season he's still only a squad player that maybe the Fernandes comment hasn't aged well, lol. I'd go all out for either of those. I think they're the types who, like Poch, are project managers focused on improving players and playing in a style that fans enjoy. I think a wildcard shout too would be Thomas Frank, hard not to be impressed with the football Brentford played in the Championship and have seemingly brought into the Prem. Ultimately I just want someone who at the very least will not make me wanna fall asleep when watching Spurs. Our window for significant trophies has gone for the time being so at least make the football worthwhile - Which I strongly feel Nuno isn't to be that guy.
Yeah I agree on the managers. I just can't see us moving for anyone at this stage of the season. Ultimately I think we're stuck with Nuno until the end of the season unless things spectacularly implode. I wasn't the only one who said that about GLC to be fair. But yeah, that comment aged like milk on a midsummer's day
I'll be surprised if he lasts the season if results and performances don't pick up, especially the latter as that's what's pissing everyone off, being outplayed by Chelsea is one thing but by Vitesse and Pacos is another story, Jose got sacked for being embarrassed by Zagreb. Jose though at least somewhat minutely compensated for his borefest by getting Kane and Son working brilliantly, Nuno can't even do that. Most of the fanbase are seemingly peeved already and I think the fans instructing him to make a sub the other day shows their frustration with him. I think within our next 4-5 games, if things don't improve he could be gone.
I think if the atmosphere at games gets that poisonous then it might force Levy/Paratici’s hands for sure. There’s such a massive disconnect between fans and the club right now. Success on the pitch would help mask it but the opposite is going to turn it ugly.
That was what probably kept Jose in the job for longer than most expected - no fans in stadiums to make their voice heard. Nuno doesn't have that luxury and with tomorrow being sarcastically dubbed "El Sackico", he'll need to put in a performance and result to match. Although any fan vitriol won't solely be aimed at him and his football, Levy may want a perspex screen surrounding him in case things go south, might be one or two rotten fruit and veg being thrown about.
