Game Over For Ole

I think that's a bit simplistic mate. To just say it's Ronaldo is falling into the lazy agenda being pushed by the media and rival fans. Was he the problem when he scored the winner against Atalanta last Wednesday, or the winners he scored earlier in the season?

If your point was that Ole is not strong enough to manage big players, that may be one aspect of it. But there's more to it IF you're trying to compare the difference between last season to this.

The biggest reason is that other sides have grown and become better. We, at the same time have progressively become worse, and in particular our one dimensional tactical approach is being found out. Our players are stagnating because they're not being coached or developed. We are not growing as a team or developing. Greenwood, McTominay, Maguire, Wan Bissaka, even Fred are typical examples of this. James was another casualty of it.

 

From the one proper game he's actually played, he's a CM. He can tackle and he's a decent passer of the ball. I'd have him ahead of Matic personally and play him with either McTominay or Fred. But seeing as he hardly gets a game it's hard to tell.

 

Proper strange one that, hes like your ben davies

I dont even think ole signed him tbh, why not use him at all if hes a player you wanted, same with sancho, hes hardly played him either.

Just a bit strange tge van der beek one tho

 

Defo not an Ole signing. I think he was offered by Van Der Sar who still has a good relationship with the club and Woodward thought why not. Having said that, VDB was performing well at Ajax.

From what I've heard Ole has never wanted him and it was decided he'd be sold this January, as long as a year ago. Personally, I think the bloke needs to be given a proper chance and played regularly. He can't be any worse than Matic, and in the one start he's made this season he played well.

 

What did you lot make of Ronaldo waving his arms around mocking the instructions from the touchline?

I think it was just after the 3rd went in.

I get that hes pissed off but thats not what you want to see is it.

I mean i do but you dont obviously

 

Very odd.
I didnt think you had a director of football?

Regardless of all this though, ole simply isnt good enough and hes not gonna have time to do some saf 6 year project either as football moves a lot faster these days.

 

I thought that was fake?

To be honest, it's a reflection of Ole more than Ronaldo. For example, in the game against Atalanta it was Bruno and Ronaldo who took the half time team talk, agreed for Bruno to actually drop deep and support the 2 man midfield which Ole had just thrown under the bus. And it worked. So what does Ole do 4 days later? Puts out the same 2 man midfield

Look the bloke's still a legend as a player, but as a manager he's simply not strong enough or good enough to lead this club.

Had the board given him the caretaker role and then appointed a permanent manager after Ole's 6 month stint, he would've left with a greater reputation among the fans and the wider footballing world.

 

No mate the clip of ole was an old one but Ronaldo flailing his arms around was from our game on sunday.

Like i said i get his frustration but he needs to pack that **** in, its not a good look for him or the club

 

Yeh probably not. Losing 5-0 at home to your biggest rivals aint a great look either

I don't condone him doing that if he was mocking the manager, I can understand his frustration like you said.

Have to be honest, every time I see Ronaldo throwing a water bottle, kicking the ground, shouting in disgust at another player, throwing his hand up at the ref, I fcking love it. I'm like Joaquim Phoenix as the Emperor sticking his tongue out watching the gladiators. I'd say I love it as much as I love him scoring. Born winner.

 

i heard that on the radio yesterday but they also said you are currently negotiating new contracts for the coaching staff . I an unsure which surprised me more the fact that they were being offered new contracts or that you actually had coaching staff .

 

No i get ya, its the little things sometimes, like after ronny kicked the ball with jones on the floor (personally i think it was fine, yes it looked bad but the ball was there to be kicked imho) but just after that i love what konate does here.


Went up a few sucky notches just for that

 

It is beyond ridiculous. Someone comes in, hangs around a bit, gets a payrise. No scrutiny, no performance reviews, no oversight, there you go have another 3 years, even though you only started 6 months ago and I don't know who you are. Our board, epitomised by the buffoon that is Woodward, are a bunch of amateurs from top to bottom.

 

and long may it continue .
btw quite a few of your players lost their heads a bit on Sunday and personally thought fernandes was really lucky not to get a red and in fact if Jones had been injured i think he would have been .

 

Anyone who's watched Fernandes, Greenwood, Martial, Shaw, in fact anyone in that squad, knows it's been coming. Fernandes was the most likely because he's already demonstrated his frustration on the pitch. I think they've been covering for Ole because they like him and they want to be loyal, whilst being frustrated by the dire football they're playing. Especially when these players know they're capable of playing so much better.

I said in my second post on this thread, over a month ago, if the losses like those against West Ham, Young Boys and Villa continued, he'd lose the dressing room. I really can't imagine how he's coming back from this.

 

he does get very frustrated and isn't shy about showing it .
him and Ronaldo could be funny if this form carries on

 

This.

The acquisition of Sancho was almost two years in the making. There should be no such tactical conundrum, no excuse for any lack of clarity regarding his role in the team.

So, why does it all feel so off the cuff? It is as if there is confusion that one of Europe's most gifted young players cannot just turn up, beat four men and solve everything for this side. Disappointment that he has been unable to conjure something up from nothing.

His underwhelming start has even raised doubts about his ability. Those doubts are misplaced. "Jadon Sancho is a world-class talent," said Jurgen Klopp recently. "He has all the things you need to become really one of the best players in the world in the future."

But for that to happen, there still needs to be plans in and out of possession, there needs to be a strategy to allow these stars to perform to their best. Systems must be put in place.

This.

Already there are echoes of the situation with Donny van de Beek, a player who thrived at Ajax where the passing combinations were intricate, the build-up play structured. United life seems to favour those who can deliver magic moments. That only takes a team so far.

Recruitment matters, of course, but so do the ideas of the coaches. For example, it is now being said that Mason Greenwood 'cannot press' but he is 19 - he can do it if he is taught.

 

Don't get me wrong. I'm not blaming Ronaldo personally. He is who he is and you don't change the world's best footballer. Utd got him and needed to look at how to play him within an up and coming squad. It wasn't his job to tell the team how he should play. It's the manager's job. But as i have said so many times recently Ole just couldn't do it. TBF it would have been beyond most managers.


It's strange that RS fans have suddenly appeared on this board. Yes they are gloating (which I would have done too if I i were in their shoes and allowed on their **** board) but as long as they don't cross the line who am I to object? some even have points I completely agree with.

Its been said umpteenth times . I like so many of ur fans wanted Ole to succeed. Not only for the club but for him personally. Of course the difficulties he faces now to me look unsurmountable and its only delaying the inevitable. Can he rally the players and get them under control? Im doubtful. We are talking about players with massive personalities and egos and who have won big trophies: CR, Pogba, Fernandes. Can they curb their own wishes and views to let Ole's prevail? Look at the other clubs like City RS and Chelsea. Is there any player who can stand up to the manager and tell him: "Show me your medals or I don't trust your system is the best way forward".


Sad really but we have reached the point of no return. United needs a new manager.

 

I don't mind them coming over. The fact they've only found the balls to do so when they're winning says a lot about them though.

Agree with all of that. He's not going yet though Smithy, and if the next few games weren't so important I wouldn't think it was completely ridiculous decision. I still think the season can be turned around and with the players we have, we can still challenge for silverware. The problem is we will reach a point where it won't be salvageable and at that point it'll be too late. Even the next 2 league games can make all the difference imo.

 

The problem we have is that there is hardly anyone at the club with enough clout and experience to make that final decision. We have a CEO who is leaving to be replaced by a new one whose expertise is only in finance not football. The director of football is new and inexperienced in that job. For a club the size of United , not to have the right expertise and experience in crucial jobs is a scandal. No one wants to be seen to be the one pulling the trigger on Ole. At other top clubs they have experienced people in the top jobs. Decisions are quickly made based on the right assessments and judgements. Once they are made the trigger is pulled. Lampard, massive hero of the fans, got sacked as soon as the team hit a rough patch. And the rest is history.

The next few games are crucial in terms of our ability to finish top 4. But realistically I can only see us being mauled by these teams unless the players regroup and play under an agreed system. ANY ****ING SYSTEM! as long as the eleven players on the pitch all play to it. Even a ****ing counter attacking system with 10 players behind the ball will be better if there is complete unity. Where has been Maguire in all of this? his form has been terrible and he's made many mistakes and may be because of that he's not been vocal. He's the ****ing captain not Fernandez or Ronaldo. There needs to be only one manager in the dugout and only one captain on the pitch. This rabble is so embarrassing and has to stop.

 

Can't really argue against any of that. We need to take stock a little because one disastrous result can be blown out of all proportion but the problems are systemic and the standards at the club have slipped massively.

In terms of Ole, I wouldn't be surprised if they've had a look at Spurs and thought, yeh he can win that one, then looked at Atalanta and thought being top of the group, a draw will be fine. By the time we play City the pressure will be off. I can imagine them thinking like that. Although it may not work out the way they think.