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  1. johnsonsbaby

    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    We're at the top end of daily cases per 100k but not top of the list by a long way. Georgia tops the list with 760, UK 440.

    As for MP's wearing masks in Parliament, don't be fooled, it's all for show. Away from the cameras, not a mask in sight.
     
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    So if a child dies they don't count?
     
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    We were top of the list in The Times this morning. Maybe they're only counting certain countries?
     
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    But that's the point. It is for show, to show the people they should be wearing them. So if the tories aren't even wearing them for the cameras, then why should anyone else wear them?
     
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  5. InBiscanWeTrust

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    I’d hope that people know me well enough to obviously know I’m not saying that. I’d put them down in the ‘medical reason’ bit. anyone that dies from this it’s obviously sad, young old, vaccinated or unvaccinated but I’m pretty sure the number of children dying from covid is very very low and much lower than a hell of a lot of other illnesses
     
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  6. moreinjuredthanowen

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    Look, in the end guys what we have now is a changed health care climate on an ongoing basis.

    We have in effect added a new highly mutateable virus to the list of other "flus" that were in circulation. Unlike SARS this one is here to stay.

    We tracked flu for many many years in all its forms and how it impacts hospitals and nobody plaid a blinds bit of attention bar their GP might be telling some people to get a jab for it coming into winter and 50% never bothered and thousands of people died ever year from getting flu, pneumonia etc.

    The reality is that's just added another very bad respatory virus here. we were unwilling to shut down travel when it mattered and we let variant after variant wash over the whole of europe collectively (not just uk)

    the uk is a hub of travel through various ports and air ports and we have not stopped it coming so in the end its now here to stay. The vaccines help but they are not like other more stable diseases where the resistance is effectively life long (i think polio is 80 years or something)

    This thing is reducing somewhat in summer but certainly not going away and is rampant in winter. and this is like other flus.

    if you got a really bad flu year you'd lose 30,000 people and the same type of people who bang on about covid inconvenience never notice those deaths either. the reality is the estimates are about the loss of 5 years of lifetime for most of those people. We need to realise what we are saying to others. "i'm inconvenienced so your life should be cut short"

    the other fun topic to note is while people pension age is going up they are not going to see general life expectancy drop quite a bit so some on here will currently have to work til age 68 and then be looking at 79

    I think we will be having to see that the death rate 12 months ago exactly was about 122. its now 117 per day on 7 day average. think on that. Theres likely a massive winter flu season coming but theres literally zero will to do anything this time and no restrictions being brought in. Add in total disregard for the simple rules and we could be worse off this january with vaccinations that last january!!!


    lets hope thats not the case but we should be thinking on it and trying to just do a bit of caution.
     
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    Most people aren't easily fooled. A room full of fully vaccinated people maybe don't need to wear masks. Have you been to a wedding recently. My son just attended a wedding with 200 people gathered at close proximity, no masks.

    The same people taking an interest in PMQ's will have watched at least some of the Labour party conference. MP's in close proximity with not a mask in sight despite them sitting next to numerous posters saying "please be respectful to others and wear a mask indoors" Not to mention the pictures posted of their evening exploits, partying in close proximity and karaoke singing literally in each other's faces. Keir Starmer on the train home, no mask. It all provides a picture of what MP's really think about mask wearing.
     
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  8. Gerrardsitchyear

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    There must be more that we can do though to prevent unnecessary deaths.
    After the UKs headstart, other countries have managed to exceed our %population who have had the jab, offering various incentives. Ours plateaued.

    Look at this graph of deaths per £1m comparing the UK with the EEA. Ireland has half our rate (this is week old data and imagine our rate is worse now).

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1111779/coronavirus-death-rate-europe-by-country/

    Ireland and Netherlands for example are half our rate, Denmark a quarter.

    The NHS are saying we need to do something otherwise we will have winter Covid crisis on top of our regular winter crisis and the government is putting its hands over its ears going lalalalalala.
     
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    I would beg to differ. Yes people are very much easily fooled!

    Yes, i have been to a wedding recently fairly recently, the weather was a bit warmer. Even though it was in an open sided barn everyone wore a mask except for the bride, groom and registrar. All the entertainment/dancing was outside.
     
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    Repeated post.
     
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    The anti lockdown clowns and the shills who decided to make masks part of the faux culture war battleground got their way back on ‘Freedom day’ when this Govt put everything that helps reduce transmission in the bin & people decided it was over.

    If you look at our figures since compared to our peers, who have kept things like mask wearing in shops etc, then it tells its own story.

    The mask issue for me was one that really sorted the wheat from the chaff. As if you were unwilling to make such a small contribution to Society by wearing a mask for a few minutes in a shop & instead came up with fictitious reasons why you were exempt, or simply refused to comply because you didn’t want to, then you were clearly identifying yourself as a ****.
     
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  12. johnsonsbaby

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    I'm double vaccinated and wear a mask every time I go out. I'm not taking my lead from Boris Johnson, Keir Starmer or any other politician. I use my own judgement. I want to keep myself safe while at the same time keeping those around me safe. If that's all rubbish then so be it.
     
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    We're the same, we always wear our masks if we have to go inside at a public space. Its the safe and most socially minded thing to do. However, most places we go, the majority do not wear masks, even though every shop/venue asks people to wear them and staff are still behind screens. I think this is because the message coming from government is that you don't really need them anymore.

    I'm double vaccinated, but my wife had a very severe vaccine reaction to the first dose back in April, she is still suffering from the the damage it and has been advised by her GP and consultant rheumatologist not to have the second dose. There is also a high risk that if she gets covid, it could make her condition much worse.
     
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  14. InBiscanWeTrust

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    Tbh mask wearing Prob gonna keep on for a while especially in winter months. Don’t see why wouldn’t wear it in shops, especially busy supermarkets where god knows who is in there.

    The amount of colds people got last year due to mask wearing and hand washing shrunk massively so why wouldn’t you want to do that again this winter tbh.
     
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  15. johnsonsbaby

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    Sorry to hear about your wife. I hope she stays safe and healthy.

    The vaccine/mask debate is a very touchy subject. It shouldn't be but the longer it's gone on, the more people have lost patience and in some cases lost focus on what is the most important thing. For some it's health, for others it's freedom. It seems we can't have both (?)

    There is so much real information out there which is hard to keep up with in itself and that then gets swamped by misinformation, add to that the politicisation of the whole thing and it's not hard to see why some people are confused. I'm retired so no different working conditions to consider, so for me the only issues (other than my mental health which has taken a battering) have been do I get vaccinated and do I wear a mask. I got vaccinated and rather than be told when, where, and how to wear a mask, I just wear one every time I go out.

    Lockdowns were to keep us all safe and safeguard the NHS from overload, we had to comply as a collective for each of our own good and the good of everyone else. That's how we should each be looking at this. There are a lot of selfish people out there. Other than ordering lockdowns, we shouldn't need a government telling us what to do to end this thing. We should be practising personal responsibility and common sense. There's no doubt the government handled it badly and exposed the nation to infection from outside sources by not shutting down quickly enough, that's clear and evidence based but to go back to the original point, I'm not looking to them for guidance on mask wearing and I can't believe anyone would take personal advice from Boris Johnson on .. well anything.
     
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    Your last paragraph is the most pertinent for me - there are a lot of selfish people out there. Some people seem incapable of seeing beyond their own tight circle and this has manifested itself in many ways long before covid.
    The claim of infringement of liberties is a deflection, all personal rights only extend so far - they end when they encroach on the rights of others. Therefore you don't have the right to trespass or take something that doesn't belong to you, or drive on the wrong side of the road, or act in a way that endangers the well-being of others without due care.
    We have laws and rules designed to enable us to function as a society and co-operate for the greater good. (Of course there are bad laws, and there is corruption and exploitation of many decent ones, but that is a different argument.)
    There are far too many people incapable of detaching their own desires from the broader reality.
    Not to mention the idiots who think it's all fake or some massive plot THEY have cooked up to oppress us.
     
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    On another note, a friend of ours who spends their life travelling (she works for a few months, then travels, lives extremely frugally and travels uber-budget) and not having been overseas for two years flew to Morocco two days ago and is now stuck, as Morocco has banned all flights to/from the UK!
     
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    I might be wrong but I think there's also an age element to it with the older generation more compliant maybe. Over generalisation I know before someone posts a picture of non social distancing at an over 80's rave! The younger generation also being more likely to have social media with it's wild and weird conspiracy theorists help them in forming their opinions.
     
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  19. InBiscanWeTrust

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    I knew I saw a picture of you and Saint somewhere but couldn’t remember where!!
     
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  20. moreinjuredthanowen

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    This is not actually true. No one person can guess their immune system capability. An 85 year old needs to realise that vaccinated or not they are in trouble there and honestly the mask is not to protect them. It's for others to wear to reduce the air saturation and protect them a bit.

    Wearing a mask in a haze of covid is not going to protect
     
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